Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

Check Krishna.com.

The best is the original version. I cant believe I am reading this.

Best and latest?

Anyway, original and the Jayadvaita (?) version are both available online. I dont think the Hayagriva version is. Original can be found on prabhupadabooks.com

Madhudvisa promotes Hayagriva version.

Hayagrivas is Macmillan ed. 1972. See the differences at http://bbtedit.com/node/247 3rd ch. was added recently.

I dont think they have the latest correct version out on e-book format.

I hear theyre going to start selling books through the web though, so you may want to keep your eyes peeled for that.

Latest CORRECT version!!!!!!!!! I cant believe this!!!

Hayagrivas version?

Surely you mean Srila Prabhupadas sole and only approved 1972 original first edition?

mung, the 1972 edition was edited by Hayagriva. It was already discussed here several times but if someone cant or doesnt want to understand that, no one can help him.

Edited by Hayagriva under whos instruction? (Srila Prabhupada)

Under whos instruction is it edited now? (Great Big Crooks)

JASs editing was approved by Srila Prabhupada: http://bbtedit.com/quotes
Read about the history of the BBT.

Text PAMHO:19090791 (33 lines)
From: Jayadvaita Swami
Date: 14-Feb-10 09:06 -0500
To: Gita Revisions Explained [123]
Bcc: Editing [1967]
Reference: Text PAMHO:18887444 by Jayadvaita Swami
Subject: Now online: "Gita changes" for chapter 3
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BBT press release:

TITLE: Now online: "Gita changes" for chapter three

"The changes" for chapter three of Bhagavad-Gita As It Is are now online at http://www.BBTedit.com/changes.

Perhaps the most notable feature of this chapter is that the revisions to the purports are so few. As in the rest of the book, when revisions are warranted they are made, and otherwise the text is left unchanged. In this chapter fewer revisions are needed, so fewer are made.

Still, there are several revisions worth seeing.

Youll see:

* Four places where a typist has skipped from one occurrence of a word to the next--for example, from "teach" to "teach"--leaving out the text in between. The second edition restores the missing text.

This happens twice in the purport to text 20 and once each in the purports to texts 30 and 37.

Youll also see:

* What Srila Prabhupada actually said about duties that "complement ones psychophysical condition." (purport to text 35)

The changes for the Preface, the Introduction, and the previous
chapters are already online. See them all at
http://www.BBTedit.com/changes.
(Text PAMHO:19090791) --------------------------------------

[quote][cite] Hari Bhakta dasa:[/cite]Latest CORRECT version!!!!!!!!! I cant believe this!!![/quote]

It works.

[quote][cite] VEDA:[/cite]JASs editing was approved by Srila Prabhupada: http://bbtedit.com/quotes
Read about the history of the BBT.[/quote]

Then who approved Hayagrivas version? Why did Srila Prabhupada use the 1972 version for 5 years and order reprints? If it wasnt up to his high standard, he wouldve ordered it to be revised.

[quote][cite] VEDA:[/cite]JASs editing was approved by Srila Prabhupada: http://bbtedit.com/quotes
Read about the history of the BBT.[/quote]

[p]
When you open this link it highlights four categories, under the page heading "Srila Prabhupada Says"[/p]

[p]
1) Authorization (Here Srila Prabhupada openly trusts Jayadvaita Prabhu to edit his books)
But he then goes on to say what can be changed and he clearly limits it to spelling and grammar and as he
points out just one mistake (spelling or grammar) can murder the book.[/p]

[p]
2) Change (Here he emphatically states)
- Please be careful not to change the ideas.
- Do not try to change anything without my permission.
- Do not try to change anything[/p]

[p]
3) General...[/p]

[p]
4) History...[/p]

[p]
Appears that he wants to present a very high scholarly standard that is 100% correct in spelling and grammar and that is the limit to the changes allowed. As far as changing words that have different meanings or ideas he was very explicit not to do this.[/p]

[p]
If a disciple (who is qualified in every way) feels that a book like say the Bhagavad Gita needs additions in the purports that relate to the modern times, he is allowed to publish Bhagavad Gita under his own name as many Gaudia Vaisnavas have done, but they never change the version published by their Guru, that would be a crime or an insult to their previous Acharya. In this way we can see and compare and make sure the current acharyas are following the previous acharyas.[/p]

Abhiram said he wants Bhagavad gita -- here it is http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/bhagvadnew.pdf

All versions are about translations and commentary, but the "latest" gita is here.

1972 version http://www.prabhupada.de/eng/Prabhupada%20-%20Bhagavad-gita%20As%20It%20Is.pdf

mung, I wrote "Read about the history of the BBT." Your question shows you didnt (and probably dont want).

manasi_seva, this is vague. If you have specific problems with JASs editing and ideas he changed, write him. From my side, Im not aware of any. As I mentioned, I worked with BG transcripts in 1997-8.

What additions in the purports that relate to the modern times do you mean?
GBC came up with the idea of annotations but BBT disapproved it.

All this was already discussed here.

Vague? Dont worry its not a criticism of you, the site or new versions of the Gita. If you read my statement Im just referring to what is said under the BBT site itself, that Prabhupada said you can correct any misspelled words or grammar but he has asked that no one should change the meaning. I am not saying they have done that, I am simply referring to it.

My second paragraph states that each new generation of Vaisnavas provided they are qualified (in devotion and in learning) are able to publish new versions of the texts for example the Gita with their own purports, as disciples of Bhaktisiddanta have done (Srila Prabhupada, BR Sridhar Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja and others all have versions of their own Gita). This was also encouraged by Bhaktivinoda Thakur. But they should not go back and re-interpret their Gurus writings and publish them in their Gurus name that would be an outrageous act.

Nothing vague about it.

> I am not saying they have done that, I am simply referring to it.

So whats the point?

> But they should not go back and re-interpret their Gurus writings and publish them in their Gurus name that would be an outrageous act.

Ditto. Is anyone doing it?

> Ditto. Is anyone doing it?

Hey. Tell us the name of the devotee who was the translator of Gita to your own language Veda? They did just that. Prabhupada gave this service to translators in different languages, and it was not outrageous (if they knew what they were doing). Of course JAS did not do that, did he?. They all just translated British English into American English, and never published Prabhupadas books in the original British spelling and grammar, despite all. I long to live to see original language of at least Gita and Bhagavatam published by BBT.

Translation isnt reinterpretation if one understands the text and sticks to it. But if one doesnt trust it, one is always welcome to read the original language.

> ... never published Prabhupadas books in the original British spelling and grammar, despite all. I long to live to see original language of at least Gita and Bhagavatam published by BBT.

Not true.
Earliest BG transcripts are being gradually posted at http://bbtedit.com/
Delhi SB (1962/4) is included in Vedabase 2003 published by BA, one of BBT divisions.

>BA, one of BBT divisions.

BA is independent. BBT should take seriously the fact of actually publishing in British English.

See more here: http://news.iskcon.com/node/2490

Right. BA is supported by BBT yet independent. Here http://bbt.info/about its ranked among our publishing family.

> when you sell a book with American-English spellings on the streets of jolly old England, people do actually think that the Hare Krishna movement is an '91American movement.'92

8)

> Can you imagine the bewilderment as American readers struggled with Balarama'92s '91plough'92 or Lord Krishna'92s monsoon-cloud '91colour'92 ?

If someone can be bewildered by such details... 8) But I have no prob with publishing British English books.

Btw, I was told that Slovak people prefer Czech over Slovak translations. And therere incomparably more differences between CZ and SK language than between American and British English.

ok, many comments but you didnt give me a link!!!

and this
http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/bhagvadnew.pdf

is in sanskrit only.
:s
I cant find it. Anyone has a direct link to download it?

You never said what language you wanted -- so we assumed you just want it in sanskrit... ;-) whose translation do you prefer?;-)

Youre quite a clever one, arent you borokrsnadasa? Thats an interesting name. What does it mean and where/how did you get it?

Okay, same goes for you.

this site became useless.

I dont like that the Hayagriva versions of the Gita say that the soul is created. BG 2.20
What is even worse is that Krishnas words say the complete opposite "He HAS NOT come into being"

[quote][cite] NityanandaChandra:[/cite]I dont like that the Hayagriva versions of the Gita say that the soul is created. BG 2.20
What is even worse is that Krishnas words say the complete opposite "He HAS NOT come into being"[/quote]

Where does it say that? Again, it is not Hayagrivas version! This is the edition that Prabhupada approved and used everyday. This is the version that he wanted distributed far and wide.

You are criticizing Prabhupada when you criticize this edition.

It just does not say that falsity in that verse, rather Lord Krishna & Srila Prabhupada teaches the opposite

Wouldnt it be bigger disservice to claim that Srila Prabhupada teaches things that are directly against Lord Krishnas words in the Bhagavad-Gita

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We dont want no newer version
We dont want outside coercion
We dont want no one to edit
Not until we all have read it
Hey dumbass leave those books alone
All in all it only brings on a fall

It is funny -- in one article an idiot quotes a letter to jayadvaitadasa from prabhupada as approval of a final version. there is no approval in it. It just says "It is very nice. So I shall be looking forward to seeing the entire manuscript and book " (Letter to Jayadvaita, May 28, 1972) and it is written without much looking anyways, because May 26, 1972 was the date of jayadvaitadasas letter. so now because of people like portnoy, who made so many mistakes, we all need to live with a version crippled by kritanananandas boyfriend!

"because of people like portnoy, who made so many mistakes, we all need to live with a version crippled by kirtananandas boyfriend"

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? PUT DOWN THE JOINT AND START MAKING SENSE OH BEST OF THE SHITHEADS!

What mistakes are you talking about? What version? What boyfriend? What crippled? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you insane?

Hayagriva is the boyfriend of Kirtanananda, always was, his editions and changes are bogus. Mistakes of typists are bogus. Mind your language, take your prozak or whatever your doctor prescribed or whatever you are on and go to bed. Do not sell drugs or you will get busted again. Stop pretending you know everything just because you were around when the mistakes were made.

Prozac isnt spelled with a "k" genius. You arent worthy of the dust from Hayagrivas feet. Do you have any idea how dear Hayagrive was, is and always will be to Srila Prabhupada? You little upstart punk. How dare you put down somebody like Hayagriva? Unbelievable. Youre like a little monkey jumping up and down making noises in a cage. Youre a nothing -- a nobody -- a retard. By insulting Hayagriva you have insulted Srila Prabhupada and that I wont tolerate.

Well, I did not know that you were also a fan of Hayagriva. I am sure Shrila Prabhupada trusted him. and that is the problem. But he trusted his boyfriend as well, it just could not be imagined that they will turn their farm into a big brothel. So your brand of prozak is the original, what about dope? Where do you get it from?

Am I the only one that is going to speak up and defend Srila Prabhupada? Where the hell are all the others here who quote from, pretend to follow, read his books --- where are you people? Why am I the only person taking to task this twerp who calls herself (or himself) Narot? I cant believe that nobody else has the fucking balls to speak up and defend Srila Prabhupada. Wake up people. Do you hear what this piece of crap is saying? Where are all the scholars and quoters and Google experts? Where are all the old-time Pariprashnena-ites? Have you all fallen off a cliff? Why the silence? This is mind blowing that nobody else is picking up on this? Manasi Seva? Veda? Kula Pavana? Misra? Mung Dahl? Maah? Paah? Dweller? Rockefeller? Misspeller? Anybody? Wheres the New Zealand Flash -- the Maori Megadevotee? Hari Bhakti Das? Nrsngha? Kyros? Gyros? Nityananda Candra? BorrowKrishna? Abhirama? Knock Knock? Whos there? Portnoy. Portnoy who? Portnoy who seems to be the only person that doesnt appreciate asshole Narot taking pot shots at a dear departed Godbrother who did more to serve Srila Prabhupada in one day than this asshole could ever dream of doing in lifetimes since hed need to get on his knees and ask forgiveness from Hayagriva before hed even get to zero.

Potnoy, no did not fall off the cliff but almost fell off the chair laughing at the way you were whacking others.
Maybe me included. The thing is you were there when it all began. You have i believe first hand experience
and knowledge of the events that took place. Many of us do not know what took place on a day to day basis.
other then what we read. So you could do well by letting us know as oppose to what others are saying.

What you said in the other posting of Hayagriva and HDG Srila Prabhupada hugging with tears I can understand
that. HDGSP was alone in a foreign country with nothing but the clothing on his back and his books. His own
god brothers other than maybe one or two did not help him in any way, financially or other wise. And comes
along Hayagriva on the opposite side crosses the road and offers to help HDGSP. The timing of this meeting and
and what followed thereafter , in what way can one understand this. And as you know the rest is history in the
fulfilling of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhus prediction. So, let us know the things that you know and the
experiences that you had.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Hare Krishna.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute, Text 21.
"As soon as one desires to worship the demigods, I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to some particular deity."

Although He discourages it, the Lord Himself makes the faith steady in those who desire to worship the demigods; He similarly makes the faith steady in the latest and most-up-to date, in NM, in ISKCON gurus, in the final order, in EVERYTHING. So destroying that God-given faith is not possible for a conditioned soul. What those who are faithful to Srila Prabhupada and his instructions write here is heard and appreciated by those whom the Lord allows, and others do not hear it and hear what others speak, based on their desires and the Lords sanction. It is based on sukriti.

Hare Krishna

I have just read this rough edition of bhagavad gita contained in these files and i am thrilled,i am enthused and thoroughly encouraged.My heart is steel framed ,but i can feel the sublime mood of Bhakti which permeates these sacred pages,which is just saturated in loving ecstatic devotional intent and latent blissful ancient visions of Krishna and arjuna.This very personal version to me enters my heart naturally ,since i am surrendered to his divine grace srila Prabhupadas unique mood i bow to the flavour ,style and the simple authenticity of the true bhagavad gitas profound empowering and transforming ability .
Reading this again,is like meeting an old friend.You instantly trust !
This true.... unaltered cumbersome version of srila Prabhupadas is a full , potent ,humbling in its moments of sweet meditation,as you are simply transported......there amidst the armies.
Which makes even the thoroughly demoniac asuric ravings of Narot simply inconsequential.......and rather pathetic.Such a demoniac mentality is always closely present amongst those struggling with their lower selves.Yes he is very absorbed in tamasic spirit.....but like a six month old in nappies he barely matters especially when we are again blessed with this true Bhaktivedanta treasure.Thank you POTNOY PRABHU and your generation,.....thank you HAYAGRIVA,thank you jayadvaita swami for saving this priceless link to SRILA prabhupada and KRISHNA......... intact!