Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

In this excerpt, Srila Prabhupada doesnt seem to differentiate between guru and acarya and uses the terms interchangeably: "I shall say who is guru, '91Now you become acharya."

Similarly, in Gita 13.8, he doesnt appear to distinguish between the two: "uc0u257 cu257 rya-upu257 sanam '97 approaching a bona fide spiritual master."

Basically there are three meanings of acharya: teacher (as in Drona-acharya), spiritual master (synonym with one that teaches by example), and a formal head of an institution (as in acharya of a math) or a person who has his picture on the guruparampara alter. Prabhupada always wanted his disciples to be acharya in the first two meantings, but the last meaning is not something you can make by rubber stamping.

I dont know of any level of guru or any meaning of acarya that can come into existence by rubber stamping. Even your first definition (one who teaches by example) --- how can such a person be rubber-stamped or artificially elected or appointed? In fact -- the very idea would be a total contradiction in terms (oxymoronic?).

As for formal head of an institution --- I can see where one acarya might "bequeath" the institution to some senior disciple. In fact Srila Sridhara Maharaja did just that in his last will and testament. He wrote that for all those who say they are my followers, I am requesting that you accept my disciple Srila Govinda Maharaja as the person who will be the next acarya of Sri Caitanya Saraswat Math. In that way he passed on the "acaryaship" of the institution to his senior-most disciple.

In ISKCON Srila Prabhupada, while he was present, created and hand picked from among his disciples, a GBC. In his Direction of Management documents which he made years and years before he left he stated that the GBC is to be the authority in ISKCON and in the future they are to serve for three years and be elected by the temple presidents.

Unfortunately that Direction of Management is something that is not even known by many and more unfortunately is that the original eleven appointed diksa gurus came about from a concoction and deviation and the subsequent policy of elected gurus also flies in the face of Srilal Prabhupadas instructions and intentions. Until these issues are once and for all rectified the ISKCON institution will remain a renegade and run amok mess.

[quote][cite] portnoy:[/cite]In ISKCON Srila Prabhupada, while he was present, created and hand picked from among his disciples, a GBC. In his Direction of Management documents which he made years and years before he left he stated that the GBC is to be the authority in ISKCON and in the future they are to serve for three years and be elected by the temple presidents.
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To be fair to the current GBC practices, they were put in place by SP himself. SP never fully implemented DOM. He hand picked every GBC and later told them that GBC is a position for life, and new GBCs are chosen by the current GBCs. It can also be argued that the current no objection to guruship stamp of approval is a logical thing to do, very much within GBC scope of authorization.

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There is a conversation from May 28th 1977 where Srila Prabhupada seems to have changed his mind regarding DOM
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Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, we were all asked by the rest of the GBC to come to ask some questions. Most'85 These are the members of the original GBC as you first made it up. So our first question is about the GBC members. We want to know how long should they remain in office?

Prabhupada: They should remain for good.

Tamala Krishna: They should remain for good.

Prabhupada: Selected men are chosen, so they cannot be changed. Rather, if some competent man comes, he should be added. I shall recommend that Vasudeva become one of the GBC.

Tamala Krishna: Vasudeva is Deoji Punja. He'92s the founder of our'85
He'92s building the temple in Fiji.

Prabhupada: How many GBC'92s are there already?

Tamala Krishna: Twenty-three.

Prabhupada: So add him. GBC is not to be changed.

Satsvarupa: But then, in the event that some present GBC member leaves, either leaves'85

Prabhupada: Another should be elected.

Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. '85'85'85'85'85'85.

['85'85'85.]

Prabhupada: So there is no question of changing GBC.

Satsvarupa: No.

Prabhupada: Rather, one who is competent, he can be selected to act by the board of the GBC.

Tamala Krishna: Of course, if someone has a falldown, just like in the past some GBC men have fallen down'85

Prabhupada: He should be replaced.

Tamala Krishna: Then he should be replaced. But that'92s a serious falldown, not some minor discrepancy.

Prabhupada: They must be all ideal acarya-like. In the beginning we have done for working. Now we should be very cautious. Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced.

Everyone knows Direction of Management -- nobody knows why Shrila Prabhupada wrote it.

Lets leave aside the question of whether GBCs are for life or by vote --- and lets focus on the so-called "no objection voting for initiating gurus." Whats the basis of this arrangement? I can tell you what the overall result is and its a disaster. There are voted in (excuse me -- no objectioned) gurus falling down right and left and leaving their disciples dazed and confused. A new devotee joins some center and most of the people there happen to be disciples of Bloopananda Maharaja so naturally the peer pressure will be exerted for him to also ask for initiation from the Maharaja. Bloopananda is found out to be screwing his female (or male) secretary and so hes brought before the GBC council for fallen gurus and they decide whether to defrock him or just suspend his initiating privileges. His disciples are told they can stick with Bloopananda Maharaja and pray for his redemption or choose from among the remaining hundred or two hundred candidates and try their luck again. Oh -- but its okay for this to be going on because the GBC arent voting in (excuse me -- no objectioning) Acarayas with a capital "A" or even acaryas with a small "a" -- Theyre only electing (excuse me -- oh never mind) diksa gurus and although they sit on Vyasa asanas and are sung to with words like Nikunya yuno rati keli siddhai ... and are worshiped by their disciples as good as God since they are the external representative of Supersoul --- they arent really pure devotees. What are their qualifications? Less than a third of the GBCs didnt OBJECT! Oh please --- give me a break! Hows about an iota of common sense here.

Oh .. and narot ... not everyone knows Direction of Management. Very few people in ISKCON ever heard of it. Where do you get your information?

While Srila Prabhupada was present he was directing and overseeing the GBC. At one point he disbanded them completely and then reinstated them. When a GBC man tried to interfere with the management of a local temple and push aside a temple president Srila Prabhupada would check him and tell him he has no business doing like that. At one point Srila Prabhupada said the whole purpose of the GBC was to maintain the standards in the temples --- make sure everyone is following the regulative principles and chanting their rounds ... and washing their hands after they eat.

My understanding of Guru and Acharya is they are essentially the same, except an Acharya is someone who has distinguished himself either by greater in-depth learning and service similar to Bhaktisiddanta Maharaja, Srila Prabhupada and also Bhaktivinoda Thakur as well as many others.

B.R. Sridhar Maharaja was accepted as being a living encyclopedia of the Gaudiya Vaisnavas his quote was:

"Guru and acarya are the same but generally it may be said that an acarya does more extensive work. And also the acarya must have extensive knowledge of the scriptures, whereas the guru may not have expressly deep knowledge of scripture, but may have real knowledge of their purport. He may not be able to quote scripture extensively, but feels the meaning of the scriptures. He may be a guru. But an acarya is one who preaches widely and is able to extensively quote scriptural evidence"

From his Book: Sri Guru and His Grace

[quote][cite] portnoy:[/cite]A new devotee joins some center and most of the people there happen to be disciples of Bloopananda Maharaja so naturally the peer pressure will be exerted for him to also ask for initiation from the Maharaja. [/quote]

This is where I disagree with you I came to Krishna Consciousness during the "Zonal Acharya" era, so there was more than mere "peer pressure" to accept the local zonal guru. But because I recognized him to be a nincompoop, I bonded with some older Prabhupada disciples, and when the disciples of the zonal guru pestered me about my loyalties, I told them that I considered myself the aspiring disciple of another one of the zonals. The Prabhupada disciples valued my service, and the zonals disciples could only go so far in pestering me, because the other guru was also GBC-authorized, and we were at a larger temple where there were disciples of several of the zonal gurus, so I wasnt that much of a freak not being initiated by the local zonal. But because I wasnt in the same zone as "my" zonal guru, somehow I just never got around to being initiated by the other zonal nincompoop.

Im sorry, but Srila Prabhupada spoke often about the "cheaters and the cheated." Yes, the bogus gurus are culpable, but so too are the bogus disciples who chose a cheater guru. If their motivation was to "get ahead" in ISKCON, and they didnt care about the adhikar of their guru, then they got what they deserved. And if their motivation was that they sincerely believed some nincompoop to be a pure devotee guru, then they got what they deserved.

Of course, plenty of devotees maturely understand that ours is a siksa-parampara, so they dont get too bent out of shape when their nincompoop diksa-guru falls, since they realize that their primary and eternal connection is with their siksa-guru, Srila Prabhupada.

> Yes, the bogus gurus are culpable, but so too are the bogus disciples who chose a cheater guru.

Imho, this is the needed balance. Without ignorance coupled with peer pressure no one would care about unqualified gurus.

Tattva das -- Im sure what you wrote is very intelligent and sincere but I cant get beyond your second sentence: "But because I recognized him to be a nincompoop ..... If and when I get done laughing my ass off Ill try to read the rest of it.

Hey -- Im sure one reason why you survived the "zonal era" and figured it all out is because you have a sense of humor which is the sign of keen intelligence.

I agree that disciples need to be as sincere as the Gurus, unfortunately Iskcon has a tradition of creating Jesus Freaks or in Iskcons case Krishna Freaks, they dont read they just believe anything that is told to them, this is actually very dangerous. Just like there is a standard for the Gurus, there should also be a standard for disciples. Chanting rounds and coming to mangal arti is one thing but actual study of a certain level of shastra is another.

In Gaudia Math in the 60s you had to live in the ashram follow the strict program and study shastra to a high level and then after three years you were considered for first initiation. But in todays modern age as Kali Yuga marches onwards quantity reigns supreme and quality is his dead cousin.

[quote][cite] portnoy:[/cite]Lets leave aside the question of whether GBCs are for life or by vote --- and lets focus on the so-called "no objection voting for initiating gurus." Whats the basis of this arrangement? I can tell you what the overall result is and its a disaster. There are voted in (excuse me -- no objectioned) gurus falling down right and left and leaving their disciples dazed and confused. [/quote]

And did the gurus appointed by Srila Prabhupada fare any better? With rare exceptions, they were by far the worst bunch of gurus Iskcon ever had. It is not the approval proces that is the problem. It is the quality of the people taking that role.

Kula-pavana who was appointed by Srila Prabhuapada? No one I know was ever appointed. Yes some were initiating on his behalf, like a postman delivers the letter, but not one soul was appointed as a Guru or Acharya by Srila Prabupada. Please enlighten me.

[quote][cite] manasi_seva:[/cite]Kula-pavana who was appointed by Srila Prabhuapada? No one I know was ever appointed. Yes some were initiating on his behalf, like a postman delivers the letter, but not one soul was appointed as a Guru or Acharya by Srila Prabupada. Please enlighten me.[/quote]
We can call them gurus, we can call them initiating gurus, officiating acharyas (phrase used by Srila Prabhupada himself), or whatever... the important FACT is, that despite these people being chosen by Srila Prabhupada directly, they still failed rather miserably. Thus blaming the failures of the new crop of gurus on the current GBC rubberstamping program is completely missing the point.

Kula Pavana --- you are confused. All Srila Prabhupada "appointed" was a list of ritviks to officiate at the ceremonies since he could not be everywhere at once. It had already been going on but because of ill health and so many newcomers the situation was needing attention and so when they brought it to Srila Prabhupada he just made it official and gave power of attorney to those eleven guys to be ritviks. The very term ritvik is contingent upon the actual initiating guru being present on the planet and accepting disciples. When Srila Prabhupada departed on November 14, 1977 the whole ritvik establishment was shut down -- finished -- over -- the end. I think that is what you are not understanding because you bought into the lie that they were appointed to do anything but that. As for the "ritvik" people thinking that Srila Prabhupada meant for them to continue being ritviks even after his departure -- they are mishugenah. Are you getting the picture my friend? No appointment of gurus. Never happened. Erase the misconception from your mind and then well be on the same page at least. Please. Pretty please with a cherry on top?

[quote][cite] portnoy:[/cite]Kula Pavana --- you are confused. All Srila Prabhupada "appointed" was a list of ritviks to officiate at the ceremonies since he could not be everywhere at once. [/quote]

That may be your current interpretation of what happened, but not mine. Prabhupada appointed 11 officiating ACHARYAS who were to have their own disciples. If it was just a matter of priestly duties for the sake of performing a ceremonial ritual, there were hundreds of pujaris and brahmanas more than qualified to do that. This system goes back to GM after the diasppearance of BSST, where all the senior disciples were to initiate their disciples within one institution, acting as... surprise, surprise!... offficiating or institutional acharyas. To officiate means to hold office within an institution. It used to be rather common phrase in old British English.

It is all about terminology. In institutional terms it is only words: acharya, ritvik-acharya, guru, diksha-guru -- important words, but interchangeable materially. Functionally it is important that there are many people who do a certain function, and this function is somehow helping the total movement. Very hard to understand if you are a layman: no archbishops, only bishops, or no bishops, only senior district priests, it is all words, the key is cooperation. Words may change, but people are the same, what changes honestly?

Prabhupada appointed 11 officiating Acaryas who were to have their own disciples.

No matter how many times I read or even say aloud the above sentence -- it makes absolutely no sense. I guess you have to be schooled in old British English to understand it. Im just a stupid American putz. I give up. I guess the best we can do is agree to disagree and end the ping pong match. Balls of Fury ... nobody wins and nobody loses but the important thing is that ... as narot tells us .... "words may change but people are the same." Come to think of it -- the opposite can also be said -- that people may change but words are the same." Now Im really confused. I need my prozac.

TKG admitted what happened he initially tried to take over as the single acharya, self appointed anointed one, the other ritviks wouldnt have it, they all wanted a share in the booty, so they all conspired against us the working class...got us to drink their foot juices (puke, spittle)...LMAO!

[quote][cite] manasi_seva:[/cite]got us to drink their foot juices (puke, spittle)...LMAO![/quote]

Yes, literally, they did. If I had to point to a single moment when I knew I would never be at home in ISKCON, I would point to the afternoon when a couple of giddy disciples of the local zonal invited me to share some "tea" they had brewed. Of course it wasnt caffeinated, but neither was this an herbal tea... no, this was SPECIAL. The disciples had brewed the tea from the dirty socks of the local zonal acarya.

I politely declined -- said I had to be at a meeting somewhere else -- and walked away stupefied.

You know something -- when Satsvarupa (in that famous transcripted conversation about ritviks, gurus, etc.) asked Srila Prabhupada the question that when hes gone and then one of his disciples initiates somebody -- then whose disciple would they be ...... thats like one of my sons coming to me and asking, "hey dad -- when I have a kid, whose kid would he be -- mine or yours." Of course Prabhupada answered him "your disciple and my grand disciple" just as my sons kid would be his kid and my grandkid. Maybe we should publish a new book called "Stupid Questions, Perfect Answers."

Yes, all of Prabhupadas disciples have the mandate to become perfect, preach Krishna consciousness throughout the world and make disciples. Lord Caitanya indicated the same for all those born in Bharatvarsa and actually its there for every single human being -- become perfect and pure and make others perfect.and pure. Thats not automatic. If the guru says "go wash your hands" that doesnt mean that your hands are automatically clean by dint of his instruction. First you have to actually go and put some soap on your hands, put them under water and scrub-a-dub.

Srila Prabhupada made it very clear in his teachings that guru is never appointed nor selected nor elected. We leave that to the Vatican. Three puffs of smoke and a new pope has been elected. The King is dead -- long live the King. Balls said the queen, if I had them Id be king.

I was at a farm once where the newbie Guru was in a big hall, there was heaps of devotees and piles and piles of sweets and prasadam everywhere....mountains of it. He started throwing the prasadam at the devotees which started as a few coconut ladhus being thrown at the devotees that made the most money in the last 14 days (typical) Then after a few minutes something just popped and the whole event turned into a prasadam fight. The newbie guru got his face pelted with rock hard ladhus, the ones that had too much milk powder in them. I was absolutely disgusted with the whole affair and I walked out, but not before I popped him one again with the biggest hardest ladhu I could find. *grins* At the end of it the hall and all the devotees were a mess. Some had buckets of sweet rice poured over them, it was insane!

The next day he gave a big lecture how uncivilised all of his disciples were, when in actual fact he was the one that started it, he started gently throwing, then he was really pelting people before Krishna turned the whole event on him...LMAO

That reminds me of another story which illustrates well that one shouldnt imitate ones guru -- but rather emulate. Whenever Srila Prabhupada gave class or lectured there was always a cup of water provided for him. When he wanted a drink he would lift the cup or goblet and without it touching his lips he would expertly tilt his head and let the water fall into his mouth. One time I was sitting in a class being given by a hotshot sannyasi who was trying in every way to sound and appear like Srila Prabhupada. Then he decided to take a drink from the cup that was provided him and like Srila Prabhupada, he lifted it up over his head, tilted his head back, opened his mouth and let the water cascade down. I guess he must have poured too fast or too much because something went terribly wrong and he began choking and spitting up the water. His face was bright red -- I think more from embarrassment than from choking.

We followed a system where GBCs selected to initiate were made into pithadipathis, and combined with the fact that they were young and (largely) stupid, it destroyed the concept of regular diksa-guru. We have only one pithadipathi - Srila Prabhupada. The word acarya is too vague to use really.

Iskcon is so bad.....its temples and guru parampara is so bad ,even srila Prabhupadas preaching movement is so pathethic that it has not transformed you....into first rate human beings?So why is Narayanna maharaja and other Gaudiya Matha temples and managers intent on stealing Srila Prabhupadas society and his potency stored within his books , personal letters and Bhaktivedanta purports?Why would gaudiya matha leaders trying to take credit for srila PRABHUPADAS Mayapur...west bengal temple and the twenty four hour a day kirtan?
His householders were able to spread krishna conciousness worldwide......simple two three year devotees like mukunda maharaja,janaki,yamuna devi dasi...ect,when Narayanna maharaja has to target our people.......by trying to steal from our congregational members?
Why ......oh great Souls do the Gaudiya matha Sannyasis struggle so?Because they neither have the potency or the expertise.....which it appears only this line has successfully Illustrated.
Yes it is true ISKCON with its obvious faults...yes there are plenty!
However mukunda , tamala krishna ,janaki and co ...became freinds of the beatles.End of story! Used Rupa goswamis YUKTA- VAIRAGYA ..were donated Bhaktivedanta Manor.....the rest is history!When i meet all these gaudiya Matha teams all i meet generally is old tired ,ex-iskconites with sad stories....how they were not looked after!
Do these gaudiya matha temples actually make any devotees themselves....i ask sincerly?.Even iskcon.... its few sincere householders have exhibited a far more brilliant and creative liquid understanding of Rupa goswamis teachings.... than even Narayanna maharaja and all the Gaudiya matha guru put together!Hence Srila Prabhupadas legacy....even your Narayanna maharaja is encapable of appreciating the genuine sublime spiritual essence?
But he certainly wants to steal it!
Is this the sort of guru you want?.....not me or ravindra swarupa das .We will stay loyal to our Srila Prabhupada.....unlike this disgusting gutless mood of jumping on the latest so called uttama guru,peddling what i want to hear...... to please my senses!!

Thanks for the uploading your picture SGD now we can see the face behind the ridiculous comments, some people get old and wise, you simply got old.

Now I understand...I can see those all too common Iskcon lobotomy scars on your head. LMHO!

Well - since were revealing a little more about ourselves -- Ill come out of hiding as well with my photo.

*Runs out from behind a rock and swings on Portnoys beard (or some big hairy dangly bit) from one side of the Ganges to the other*

Nice picture Sri Govinda prabhu. I can see u r fired up in KC.

U should know though that neither TKG and Narayann Maharaja can give sufficient guidance in and on themselves as per NOI below;

"A neophyte Vaiuc0u7779 u7751 ava or a Vaiu7779 u7751 ava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance."

I think it would be great if another Sakti Avesa Avatar could manifest in our lifetime. What an inconceivable difference that would make,eh!
Ysvt.

BTW Kula pavana SP said he would appoint some devotees to act as officiating Acaryas but he never actually got to name them.

For the appraisal of tattva das....30921r2.bom Conversations...gaudiya matha history!
Prabhupada: Yes. If by the dress of sannyasi, you take some money and eat and sleep, then it is transcendental fraud. (SP laughs) (Hindi) Just like others are toiling, and we are getting money by some dress. That'92s all. They are getting money by laboring hard, and we are getting money'85 In India, mostly the sannyasis, they do that. The priests also, they do that. This is our profession, just'85 My Guru Maharaja said that thakura dekhiye paya rasta karache, rastaye '91yandiya jivika badram karam bhari (?). Instead of earning livelihood by showing the Deity in the temple, it is better to take the profession of a sweeper in the street and live honestly. He said like that. The sweeper is working hard toiling and getting some money and living. This is honest living. But just like in Vrndavana, all the Goswamis. They have got their Deity. People are coming, contributing. Typical example, Gauracanda Goswami. Thakura dekhiye paisa rasta. (?) All the sevaites, they are meant for'85
Our Kunja Babu also planned like that. He thought, '93By cheating all the God-brothers, I have got now Caitanya Matha. And people will come to see Caitanya Mahaprabhu'92s birthplace, and I will get good income. And it will be distributed amongst my brothers and sons and myself. That'92s all.'94 That is his scheme.

Tamala Krsna: Perfect material plan.
Prabhupada: No. This was the cause of breakdown. This was suppressed by Guru Maharaja under his influence, but the rebellious was there during his lifetime. And it burst into'85 Therefore he advised that '93You make a governing body and Kunja Babu should be allowed to remain manager.'94 This was directly spoken.
He never asked anybody to become acarya. He asked that '93You form a governing body of twelve men and go on preaching, and Kunja Babu may be allowed to remain manager during his lifetime.'94 HE NEVER SAID THAT KUNJA BABU SHOULD BE ACARYA. NONE, NONE OF THEM WERE ADVISED BY GURU MAHARAJA TO BECOME ACARYA. HIS IDEA WAS '93LET THEM MANAGE; THEN WHOEVER WILL BE ACTUAL QUALIFIED FOR BECOMING ACARYA, THEY WILL ELECT. WHY I SHOULD ENFORCE UPON THEM?'94 THAT WAS HIS PLAN. '93LET THEM MANAGE BY STRONG GOVERNING BODY, AS IT IS GOING ON. THEN ACARYA WILL COME BY HIS QUALIFICATIONS.'94 But they wanted that'85 Because at heart, they were, '93After demise of Guru, I shall become acarya.'94 '93I shall become acarya.'94 So all the acaryas began fight. One side, that Vasudeva Acarya and Sar Kunja Babu Acarya. And Paramananda, he thought that '93Whoever will be powerful, I shall join them.'94 (laughing) He only thought. But Guru Maharaja never asked that these three men should be trustees. He wanted governing body.
So the rebellion broke out immediately after his passing away. And then fight in the High Court. And Kunja Babu, he is very intelligent man. So from the very beginning he knew that '93There will be fight after the demise of Guru Maharaja. So fight will be in the High Court. So at the expense of Guru Maharaja, let my brother and sons become attorneys and barrister so I will have not to pay all these things.'94 It was a planned thing. And that is being done. He was a clerk, it was not in his power to make his brother and sons attorneys and barristers. They were all made at the cost of Gaudiya Matha to fight with (indistinct) in favor of Tirtha Maharaja. These were the planned things.
But I was a rotten grhastha. I did not join any one of them. (Prabhupada laughs) I was rotting in my household life. That'92s all. But I was planning how to make, how to make this. That was my desire from the very beginning, since I heard it. But I was never with them, either this party or that party. And Guru Maharaja also recommended, apnader tasturi tublia thaki bhavan. Takhona (?). '93When there will be need, he will do himself. There is no need of living with you. It is better to live apart from you.'94 When I was recommended by Goswami Maharaja to live in the Matha, that '93He is so nice.'94 Sometimes he recommended.
In Bombay, here in this Bombay. That house. Yes. He (Guru Maharaja) said '93Yes, he is very expert. He can do. So it is better to live apart from you. And he will do everything when there is need.'94 He said. I could not understand. Although I was apart from them, a grhastha. In this Bombay I was doing business. (people talking outside)

Very interesting veiw from ISKCONS ....Srila Prabhupada that his own guru wanted a GBC.....so it is parampara policy in essence from Srila Bhaktisiddanta saraswati himself!...How very interesting and extremely valid then!How can anyone dispute the current iskcon policy to vote amongst themselves to authorise and implement the previous archaryas mood....that gurus be sanctioned and voted in!
'94 HE NEVER SAID THAT KUNJA BABU SHOULD BE ACARYA. NONE, NONE OF THEM WERE ADVISED BY GURU MAHARAJA TO BECOME ACARYA. HIS IDEA WAS '93LET THEM MANAGE; THEN WHOEVER WILL BE ACTUAL QUALIFIED FOR BECOMING ACARYA, THEY WILL ELECT. WHY I SHOULD ENFORCE UPON THEM?'94 THAT WAS HIS PLAN. '93LET THEM MANAGE BY STRONG GOVERNING BODY, AS IT IS GOING ON. THEN ACARYA WILL COME BY HIS QUALIFICATIONS.'94

So who is the Acharya in Iskcon after Srila Prabhupada? please enlighten us oh great Guru of the Maori Tribe!

W e are waiting prabhu..,i hope we both are empowered to perceive him when he appears!However please accept my genuine humble obeisances....please forgive my strong and sometimes lacking behaviour.Hopefully even if we do not agree ,we can be mutually benificial to each others devotional service in some small way.
Once again Manasi seva Prabhu ,please accept my humble obeisances.Vancha kalpa V'e2'f1ch'e2-kalpatarubhyas ca krip'e2-sindhubhya eva ca patit'e2n'e2m p'e2vanebhyo vaishnavebhyo namo namah .....Unto the desire trees, the certain oceans of mercy
the purifiers of the fallen souls; unto the Vaishnavas,.....My respects again and again...Thank you for this opportunity to learn beyound my normal capacity.