Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

Well you know the answer SGDas. Will anything we say change your mind. If there is anything that will please let us know, make a list.

Well whaddaya know -- two idiots with back to back comments. Fool number one and fool number two and I must be fool number three for even reading what the two idiots have to say. Isnt it ironic that the two idiots dont like each other? The war of the idiots. In this corner weighing 150 lbs.from New Zealand posting in the white trunks -- sgd - Idiot Number One. His opponent tonight, wearing the blue trunks with red stripes, weighing in at 180 lbs. from nowhere is narot - Idiot Number Two. Theres the bell and out come the two idiots jabbing away.

(HBS 8.51): "Like a mirror, a person takes on the qualities of those with whom he comes in contact. One who is intelligent should therefore seek the company of those who have the same ideals in order to develop their good qualities" You probably can not resist being a mirror, do you have anything else to do portnoy? Or is it the goal of your life to disgrace His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupada?

Did I hear an idiot say something? Let me check again. Oh yeah -- theres the idiots name -- narot -- and it appears that the idiot narot has something to say to me. Oh hes saying something so profound and clever. Let me read it because Im sure its earth shattering. His words are so packed with power that Im afraid to even read it but read it I must because I know hes only trying to help me see the error of my ways. After all -- he is so far above me in every way and like a good teacher he wants to take my hand and lead me out of ignorance and into the light that shines upon his head. Well -- I dont know if Im ready for a life changing catharsis -- or a revelation that will touch the core of my heart and soul --- but I can no longer delay the inevitable. Okay -- here goes -- Im about to read his comment.

Oh my goodness! Hes so right. Thank you so much narot. What was I thinking? I am so ashamed of myself. Can you ever forgive me? I want to be like you when I grow up. Will you be my big brother? Will you teach me about life and about Krishna consciousness? But could you do me one favor? Please never use the name of my guru maharaja. His legacy, his teachings, his message, his mercy and his love are off limits to you because you have publicly disgraced one of his dearest sons and disciples. I am a nothing but Sriman Hayagriva Prabhu was, as Prabhupada told us, sent personally by his spiritual master Saraswati Thakur, to help him with his mission from the very beginning.

So narot -- you can talk abaout mirrors and good qualities and seeking company and whatever other cliches you can come up with -- but you are not permitted to make any comments about Srila Prabhupada and his sons and daughters. Off limits for you. You got that? Let it sink in for awhile before your fingers descend upon your keyboard.

You are not a son of Shrila Prabhupada. And you know why.

Please make a long list of all the positive ,spiritually inspiring comments and intuitive suggestions eminating from the Sun-sampradaya site from its editor ROCANNA DAS and his regular contributors .....concerning the wonderful ISKCON GBC.Then please formulate a similiar list for how he and his teams regular contributors..... sees the negative iskcon gbc traits please my new associate narot....my guess would be you can hardly find anthing positive......,but the list would be immense for negative dialogue...,what is your opinion narot!

The question SGD is not if any of it is negative or not, its whether it is true and most of it is. Left to Iskcon as they have done in the past before the Internet was available, they swept all of their ills under the carpet, they have hidden their abuses of children and even to this day they protect the child abusers and ignore the abused.

Iskcon is getting all they deserve, for hiding the truth for so long, Krishna is allowing their dirty underwear to be hung in view of all the public.

I am not a supporter of the Ritvik system, but neither is Sun-sampradaya, they are simply Srila Prabhupada centric and encourage all people regardless of their position to have their say. As per their "About" explanation

[We welcome submission of articles from all readers, and have provided details on submission guidelines elsewhere in the site. The Sun will emphasize a Srila Prabhupada-centric position, just as the HareKrsna.com website currently does. We welcome news and articles from all of Srila Prabhupadas temples, worldwide. We welcome philosophically based critiques, and will accept philosophical articles and position pieces from all parties - ISKCON, independent and Gaudiya Matha alike.]

I think SGD is just barking up the wrong tree again and its just another instance of inane dribble.

Another one of SGDs loaded questions, that he has done zero research on, so the bullet backfires and leaves a charred mess all over his face....

*SGD looks shocked as smoke rises from his singed eyebrows*

Narot --- You say Im not a son of Srila Prabhupada .. and I know why?? Oooooh Spoooooky stuff. Now youre really frightening me. You got me on that one. I have no answer. I guess I should take all the letters I saved from Srila Prabhupada -- in which he referred to me as his spiritual son more than once -- and tear them up. I wonder what Prabhupada meant by telling me I was his son in letters and face to face. I suppose narot knows more than a pure liberated, most confidential representative of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Time for you to start writing books and accepting disciples, narot. You are the new messiah who is qualified to negate, deny, overturn, contradict, criticize and disqualify Srila Prabhupadas feelings, opinions, writings and relationships. Yup -- Prabhupada considered Hayagriva a saint but you have dragged his name through the sewer and smeared it with .... well, never mind. And even me -- with no qualifications whatsoever -- Srila Prabhupada embraced me and gave me the shelter of his lotus feet so many many years ago when we were a small loving family of love and trust, together and united cooperating to build from the ground up the greatest worldwide spiritual movement in the world. We dont ask your generation to worship us or accept us as special or better than you --- but at least have a little respect for your elders and for those who walked away from families, schools, careers -- the world -- and joined some tiny little storefront temple because we fell in love with the Swami who we knew was the real deal as compared with the Maharishi or Yogi Bhajan or Guru Maharaji or Baba Ram Das (Richard Alpert) ..... who, in his scholarly and uncompromising way, brought with him to our shores the message of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, thus fulfilling the order and request of his guru maharaja. We were a ragtag bunch of misfits -- hippies --- hedonists --- fools and rascals -- impersonalists -- pseudospiritualists. He didnt care about our backgrounds or our (dis)qualifications. Whoever wanted to come and lend a hand --- he engaged in service.

One day while giving a class in the small storefront center in New York, an old raggedy Bowery bum entered and walked right through the middle of the room, past all of us who sat in shocked silence, He headed straight past all of us toward Srila Prabhupada. He was carrying a package of paper towels and a couple of rolls of toilet paper. Without a word he walked quietly passed Srila Prabhupada and carefully placed the hand-towels by the sink and the toilet paper on the floor under the sink. Then, clearing his throat and saying something incoherent, he turned around and walked out. No one knew what to say and no one knew whether or not Srila Prabhupada was offended by the scene.
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'93Just see,'94 Srila Prabhupada said. '93He has just begun his devotional service. That is the process. Whatever we have'97it doesn'92t matter what'97we must offer it for Krishna'92s service.'94

After what you have done you do not deserve to be called even a disciple. And that is a reason why you can not sign your real initiated name.

narot said "After what you have done you do not deserve to be called even a disciple" which implies a number of included premisses. 1. i know who you are.
2. you have commited heinious acts.
3. you conceal your identity to avoid detection as a criminal
and if narot prabhu has such proof, why not avoid the "insider implications" of his "i know more than you" attitude by
1. identifying this miscreant, without being mistaken as to whom you accuse, and prove his identity.
2. detail the crimes committed by this individual who chooses to present himself as "portnoy", being sure to show the involvement, personally, of the individual accused.
3. as per ISKCON CPO orders to this effect, do all in your power to see that this miscreant is brought before the correct law administrators for prosecution.

that should solve all the little tattletale nonsense implications.

And how is that thread better than what often goes on on Sampradaya Sun?

This is a powerful demonstration of what can be achieved with sampradaya sun attitudes Kula. I am happy he listed his potential and reasons why he hides his real name.

So has your krishna conciousness benefited from this very aggressive Draconian mentality narot?....How does it fit in with vidya vinaya sampani brahmani gavi hastini.....bhagavad gita,The humble sage sees with equal vision,the brahmana ,the cow ...all equally in connection to krishna.With sublime compassion and a forgiving spirit?

[quote][cite] sri_govinda_das:[/cite]So has your krishna conciousness benefited from this very aggressive Draconian mentality narot?....How does it fit in with vidya vinaya sampani brahmani gavi hastini.....bhagavad gita,The humble sage sees with equal vision,the brahmana ,the cow ...all equally in connection to krishna.With sublime compassion and a forgiving spirit?[/quote]
Look in the mirror, baba... especially when it comes to Narayana Maharaja. How about some forgiving spirit?

>>Look in the mirror, baba... especially when it comes to Narayana Maharaja. How about some forgiving spirit?

Forgiving spirit? Yes right on! SGD better pray and hope Narayan Maharaja will forgive him for all of his blasphemous statements he has made and published on this website against him.

Yes kula-pavanna and manasi seva prabhus,i am willing to postrate myself before all vaisnavas in humble submission and indeed beg narayanna maharaja for forgiveness for all my offensive behaviour !........However i am not the problem!....I am merely reacting to his uniquely minmising and in my opinion outrageously offensive behaviour to our ISKCON Founder-Archarya!....AC Bhaktivedanta swami...Prabhupada!

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Letter to: Dr. Bigelow: -- Allahabad 20 January, 1971:
"I am the founder-acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness."

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Letter to: Kurusrestha - Bombay 28 December, 1974:
"Also your idea of forming a trust between ISKCON and the leading men in the Indian community is approved by me. That is very nice. Let the Indians take part in our movement and help us to push on this mission of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

In that trust you must be very careful to make sure that my name is registered there as the founder-acarya and that I am to be the ultimate authority.

In other words, in any case of necessity of vetoing or canceling any decision made by the other trustees, I should be able to do like that. My decision should over-rule all the other trustees combined."..........

So how am i meant to appreciate these acutely offensive veiws of Narayanna maharaja,when he disturbs us with this ......

Narayana Maharaja Murwillumbah, Australia: Feb. 18, 2002 (eve):
"Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder-acarya of that eternal ISKCON... I am ISKCON. Im not different from ISKCON. I am Bhaktivedanta [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. Im senior to him in this regard... Im Bhaktivedanta, and Im also ISKCON. Dont think that Im out of ISKCON."

>>SGD: I am merely reacting to his uniquely minmising and in my opinion

Thats fine SGD but as you state its only YOUR OPINION. The GBC obviously dont share your opinion otherwise why did they meet with Narayan Maharaja less than six months ago and agree to get the relationship back on a respectful level as publicised on the Iskcon News website?

When Narayan Maharaja speaks about the Krishna Conciousness movement "The Eternal Iskcon" he is referring to the entire disciplic line starting with Krishna, you have been told this a thousand times. If people in Iskcon, Gaudia Math or any other Institution that pops up in the future should think that their Institution is the beginning and the end then that is their foolishness.