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[quote][cite] maah!:[/cite]Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my humble obeisances.

Kes prabhu has made an extremely important point. Followers of His Divine Grace Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada attend here with kess understanding. If the administrators of Pariprashena do not agree and permit offenses at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada, we do not belong here. Administrators--Kindly inform us where you stand so we can respond accordingly. Thank you.

Haribol[/quote]

http://www.pariprashnena.com/termsofservice.php

Thanks maah! for your support.
All I can say to the admin is that there is a title of a thread by CGYOOMH which is on the face of it, is offensive to SP, so why cant the admin do something about it like refuse to accept it and at the very least encourage the individual to re-phrase it so that it does not cause offense.

Maah! I thank you for your wonderful sweet post which is very enlivening and educational as well as informative. You have made an excellent point about the heart from which I have learned a lot. I have bookmarked the web page. Hare Krisna All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>maah I am astonished to see how bold and taking the banner as a champion to save the day so many devotees are. This is characteristic of narrow mindness passing as glorious surrender.

There are so many devotees here in this forum doing staunch service for years, doing book distribution every day, attending mangala arotika and chanting their rounds, in fact, giving away their life to preach Srila Prabhupada message and they do not come as bold as you. How many books, how many years of service surrendering everything have you done maah?

I am sure you are in a comfortable position and from there it is very easy to rant and rave when someone comes in ignorance doubting our Divine master. You would have gladly become part of the spanish Inquisition, but we are not living on those times now. Just feel sorry with the people who cannot appreciate, do not throw them to hell as they are already are there due to their mentality.

Are yo feeling satisfied with your own words? Do you think you are accomplishing anything but your own satisfaction and peace of mind with this empty words presentation? I will tell you one thing: your words only accomplish giving you solace because probably that is the only way you serve Srila Prabhupada: talking.

And that would be OK if you wouldn'b4t heavily police the other devotees, making informed offenses, judging one and all by your meter.

Be careful, maybe YOU are treading in muddy waters, too.

> probably that is the only way you serve Srila Prabhupada: talking.

Its also my view. Moreover, how can any genuine acarya like to be praised by a ritvik? Thatd disqualify him as genuine acarya.

> how can any genuine acarya like to be praised by a ritvik? Thatd disqualify him as genuine acarya

VEDA, Im not a rtvik but this comment is unbelievably narrow minded. Are you bhakta Jan Mares of NE-BBT Czech?

Deena, I didnt mean you but maah.
What exactly is narrowminded on rejection of ritvikism, a variation of kartabhaja apasampradaya?
Certainly Deenanathji, we know each other since our stay in Korsnas.

Whatever, if you are actually a follower of Prabhupada you will appreciate all the Vaishnavas and all his followers, friends and godbrothers. If you pretend to be a follower, say that nobody else is a Vaishnava you will displease Shrila Prabhupada. Of course one should not listen to any critique of a Vaishnava, and obviously Shrila Prabhupada is a Vaishnava, so one should not listen to anyone who tries to find fault with him.

I cannot believe maahs words if you stand back and look at his tone and many of his posts on these subjects in the last few weeks his basic stance is that you can despise, insult and criticise anyone outside of Iskcon as long as you are a Prabhupada fanatic, he doesnt stop for one second and think of how his words completely misrepresent Srila Prabhupada. It is so sad to see that Srila Prabhupada spent so much of his time translating, publishing, teaching, lecturing and still we have fanatics running around thinking they have it all worked out as they pick up more rocks to hurl at other esteemed Vaisnavas.

One would think the best position to take on these subjects is to insult no one, to stay with who you think is advancing your Krishna consciousness and respect other peoples choices even if you do not agree with them. That would show wisdom, understanding, humility, tolerance and respect the very qualities we are trying to nurture as aspiring devotees of Radha and Krishna.

maahs posts are full of ignorant divisive naive statements like this one below that excludes anyone connected with any other Gaudiya Vaisnava Guru/Acharya that existed outside of Iskcon at the same time as Srila Prabhupada.

maah>>From 1965 to 1977, everyone--tens of thousands of souls, wanted Sri Krishna with Srila Prabhupada. In fact, no one wanted Sri Krishna unless they had Him with Srila Prabhupada.

VEDA>>Its also my view. Moreover, how can any genuine acarya like to be praised by a ritvik? Thatd disqualify him as genuine acarya.

Is an Acharya seeking praise from anyone a real acharya? The very notion of seeking praise is in line with seeking fame, adoration and distinction.

Acharya doesnt sek praise but when it happens, he accepts it on behalf of parampara. Not from enemies of Vedic culture though.

Especially at Vyasa Puja ceremonies Srila Prabhupada would make it crystal clear that the spiritual master accepts glorification, praise, adulation, gifts, etc. on behalf of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the previous acaryas. He would repeat and reiterate over and over how the guru is transparent via media between disciple and the Supreme Person. He once even compared his position to that of the dog of a great man. If you want to please a great man then pay some complement to his son .. or even his dog .. and that pleases him more than direct praise and adoration. "Love me, love my dog." How humble is that?

Manasi-seva is correct in saying that one should not invoke Srila Prabhupadas name, fame and teachings to insult another guru. Even the very rare times when Prabhupada would criticize somebody by name or reference -- he would make it clear to us that we were not to do it. When he heard of one disciple doing just that -- openly criticizing one of his godbrothers or the Gaudiya Math institution -- Prabhupada became furious. We should not embarrass His Divine Grace. We should not misrepresent him. Our behavior and speech should be guided by considering whether what we are doing or saying would please Srila Prabhupada if he were present listening and watching. Discretion is the better part of valor and fools rush in where wise men dare not tread. Be careful, my brothers ... we are dealing with the Supreme Lord and His pure devotee. Be very careful and humble. That is my advice and I try to follow it but more often than not I reveal my own hypocrisy and shortcomings.

'a0" The truth (satya) is propagated in a twofold way viz. positively or by the method of direct support and negatively by the method of opposition. The truth cannot be made sufficiently known by the positive method alone. Propaganda by the method of opposition more than the presentation of the positive aspect brings about more brilliantly in this world the appearance and glorification of the truth. 'a0The positve method by itself is not the most effective mode of propaganda in a controversial Age like the present. The negative method which seeks to differentiate the Truth from non Truth in all its forms, is even better calculated to convey the directly inconceivable significance of the Absolute. It is a necessity which cannot be conscientiously avoided by the dedicated preacher of the Truth if he wants to be loyal servant of Godhead. The method is sure to create an atmosphere of controversy in which it is quite easy to lose ones balance of judgement. But the ways of the deluding energy are so intricate that unless their mischevious nature is fully exposed it is not possible for the soul in the conditioned state to avoid the snares spread by the enchantress for encompassing the ruin of her only too willing victims. It is a duty which shall be sacred to all who have been enabled to obtain even a distant glimpse of the Abolute." 'a0

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura 'a0 'a0

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'a0" The truth (satya) is propagated in a twofold way viz. positively or by the method of direct support and negatively by the method of opposition. The truth cannot be made sufficiently known by the positive method alone. Propaganda by the method of opposition more than the presentation of the positive aspect brings about more brilliantly in this world the appearance and glorification of the truth. 'a0The positve method by itself is not the most effective mode of propaganda in a controversial Age like the present. The negative method which seeks to differentiate the Truth from non Truth in all its forms, is even better calculated to convey the directly inconceivable significance of the Absolute. It is a necessity which cannot be conscientiously avoided by the dedicated preacher of the Truth if he wants to be loyal servant of Godhead. The method is sure to create an atmosphere of controversy in which it is quite easy to lose ones balance of judgement. But the ways of the deluding energy are so intricate that unless their mischevious nature is fully exposed it is not possible for the soul in the conditioned state to avoid the snares spread by the enchantress for encompassing the ruin of her only too willing victims. It is a duty which shall be sacred to all who have been enabled to obtain even a distant glimpse of the Abolute." 'a0

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura 'a0 'a0

'a0'a0 "Those who speak bluntly 'a0are to be trusted." -Chanakya Pandit.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur; Worldly people possess a double nature. They express one kind of sentiment but internally cherish a different purpose. Moreover, they want to advertise this duplicity as a mark of liberalism or love of harmony. Those who are unwilling to show any duplicity wish to be frank and straight forward or in other words to exercise unambiguously the function of the soul. Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity. We will not keep company with any person who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of 100 cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe the same in regard to all insincere persons." (The Harmonist)

VEDA>>Its also my view. Moreover, how can any genuine acarya like to be praised by a ritvik? Thatd disqualify him as genuine acarya.
VEDA>>Acharya doesnt sek praise but when it happens, he accepts it on behalf of parampara. Not from enemies of Vedic culture though.

Obviously you dont like ritviks but calling them enemies of vedic culture is too much exaggeration. Perhaps they are your enemies but definitely not of vedic culture.

[quote][cite] maah!:[/cite]All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Hare Krishna. Please accept my humble obeisances.

Dear kes prabhu,

Thank you for your support of Srila Prabhupada and your eternal soul. Your point is well made except it is the heart which causes offense, the words just follow after. Changing wording without changing the heart is not good. A snake is dangerous, a jewel-decorated snake--even more so.

I have read the link given by the administrators. Although they administer this nice website, they do not seem that serious about attaining Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishnas lotus feet and most of the posters are like that, too. From time to time some genuine devotees do find their way here but probably most of them are too busy offering Sri Guru puja, chanting the Holy Names of Sri Krishna, singing the divine songs given by the Vaisnava Acaryas, reading Srila Prabhupadas books and books glorifying him, distributing Srila Prabhupadas books and his prasadam, making festivals for him and Lord Krishna and serving Him in their homes and Temples.

There exists different parties--even in the Spiritual Sky. It boils down to this: One group wants Sri Krishna with Srila Prabhupada and the other groups wants Sri Krishna with someone else or alone. It is not determined by whatever institution they are part of, it is the compulsion in their heart. From 1965 to 1977, everyone--tens of thousands of souls, wanted Sri Krishna with Srila Prabhupada. In fact, no one wanted Sri Krishna unless they had Him with Srila Prabhupada. It is following the mood of Lord Caitanya to desire to be the servant of the servant of Sri Krishna under Srimate Radharani. No one is admitted into Her service unless they are recommended by Sri Nityananda Prabhu and Lord Nityananda Prabhu represents Himself to the neophytes only through the divine form of Yuga Dharma Acarya His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. So the full, highest development of Krishna Prema, as Sriman Mahabrabhu is distributing, is wholly dependent upon Sri Sri Gaura Nitai--both together. No one will get Mahaprabhus mercy without accepting, serving and loving Sri Nitai.

Please read: Associates of Sri Caitanya by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur http://www.srilagourgovindaswami.org/teachings/teaching06.htm

A very few have kept that intention of wanting Sri Krishna only with Srila Prabhupada by Their causeless divine mercy, and i offer my most humble obeiances and best wishes unto them. Another few new-comers have developed that intention by Srila Prabhupadas and Sriman Mahaprabhus causeless divine mercy and i offer my most humble obeisances and best wishes unto them. Others in the future will develop that intention by Sri Guru Nityananda Prabhus and the Vaisnava Thakurs causeless divine mercy and i offer my most humble obeisances and best wishes unto them.

The rest are mislead by the external energy and some are making real offenses at the lotus feet of Sri Guru Srila Prabhupada, which is the absolute death of their spiritual life. After all Srila Prabhupada has done for us and continues to do, these ungrateful rascals minimize and critisize him. Of course Sri Krishna is giving them what they desire and deserve, still I feel very sorry for them--they had such a chance and they destroyed it. i do not want to hear/read a single offensive word from them. Unfortunately, Pariprashnena administers can tolerate such blashphemy. i do not know how. Why dont their hearts break? Therefore, I offer my humble obeisances to the Lords insurmountable external energy.

HARE KRISHNA
ALL GLORIES TO HIS DIVINE GRACE A C BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!!!!
ALL GLORIES TO SRI GURU NITYANANDA PRABHU AND HIS DIVINE MERCY MANIFESTATIONS!!!!![/quote]

'a0" The truth (satya) is propagated in a twofold way viz. positively or by the method of direct support and negatively by the method of opposition. The truth cannot be made sufficiently known by the positive method alone. Propaganda by the method of opposition more than the presentation of the positive aspect brings about more brilliantly in this world the appearance and glorification of the truth. 'a0The positve method by itself is not the most effective mode of propaganda in a controversial Age like the present. The negative method which seeks to differentiate the Truth from non Truth in all its forms, is even better calculated to convey the directly inconceivable significance of the Absolute. It is a necessity which cannot be conscientiously avoided by the dedicated preacher of the Truth if he wants to be loyal servant of Godhead. The method is sure to create an atmosphere of controversy in which it is quite easy to lose ones balance of judgement. But the ways of the deluding energy are so intricate that unless their mischevious nature is fully exposed it is not possible for the soul in the conditioned state to avoid the snares spread by the enchantress for encompassing the ruin of her only too willing victims. It is a duty which shall be sacred to all who have been enabled to obtain even a distant glimpse of the Abolute." 'a0

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura 'a0 'a0

'a0'a0 "Those who speak bluntly 'a0are to be trusted." -Chanakya Pandit.

[quote][cite] diyourself:[/cite]>maah
I am sure you are in a comfortable position and from there it is very easy to rant and rave when someone comes in ignorance doubting our Divine master. You would have gladly become part of the spanish Inquisition, but we are not living on those times now. Just feel sorry with the people who cannot appreciate, do not throw them to hell as they are already are there due to their mentality.
Are yo feeling satisfied with your own words? Do you think you are accomplishing anything but your own satisfaction and peace of mind with this empty words presentation? I will tell you one thing: your words only accomplish giving you solace because probably that is the only way you serve Srila Prabhupada: talking.

Be careful, maybe YOU are treading in muddy waters, too.[/quote]

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur; Worldly people possess a double nature. They express one kind of sentiment but internally cherish a different purpose. Moreover, they want to advertise this duplicity as a mark of liberalism or love of harmony. Those who are unwilling to show any duplicity wish to be frank and straight forward or in other words to exercise unambiguously the function of the soul. Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity. We will not keep company with any person who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of 100 cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe the same in regard to all insincere persons." (The Harmonist)

"Those who speak bluntly are to be trusted." -Chanakya Pandit.

Does it mean we should trust in Hitler as well?

Nrsingha d
"Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity. We will not keep company with any person who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of 100 cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe the same in regard to all insincere persons."

Nrsingha d, Srila BSST advised 100 cubits distance, my suggestion is you better keep 500 cubits distance. There are many such people here, you better stop coming here otherwise who knows you might also get affected.

[quote][cite] Skanda:[/cite]Nrsingha d
"Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity. We will not keep company with any person who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of 100 cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe the same in regard to all insincere persons."

Nrsingha d, Srila BSST advised 100 cubits distance, my suggestion is you better keep 500 cubits distance. There are many such people here, you better stop coming here otherwise who knows you might also get affected.[/quote]

Why are YOU been so judgemental like that? Hate the sin,not the sinner! Likewise onto ourselves!
Ysvt.

"Those who speak bluntly are to be trusted." -Chanakya Pandit.

Jaya Chanakya!

"can discussions which are purposely offensive to Srila Prabhupada be not allowed"

but what can one do if somebody talk about Hare Krishna in same line as satanists???

Can anyone translate this:
"3.1 Dans ce domaine on note la persistance de la vieille superstition populaire, jamais r'e9ellement extirp'e9e, et aussi, r'e9cemment, une certaine sensibilit'e9 new age, qui se manifeste dans des expressions comme 'ab 'e9nergie positive 'bb qui 'e9manerait d'92une personne ou se ferait sentir dans certains endroits. A c'f4t'e9 de cette atmosph'e8re spirituelle assez vague, il y a, peut-'eatre, quelque chose de plus concret, comme des groupes de satanistes, des Hare Krishna et autres 'e9sot'e9riques. En tout cas, ils sont peu nombreux et n'92apparaissent souvent que sur Internet.
La cause de ces ph'e9nom'e8nes est toujours la m'eame: la soif du myst'e8re, la recherche d'92un ailleurs au-del'e0 du sensible et du quotidien, le besoin d'92une protection devant les menaces de l'92existence"
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/cultr/documents/rc_pc_cultr_20031509_doc_iii-2003-ple_en.html

auto translation by google:
"3.1 notes on the Persistence of the old popular superstition, never really eradicated, and also, recently, some sensitivity join new age, that IS evident in phrases such as "positive energy" would emanate from a person who would do or feel in certain places IS . Beside of this rather vague spiritual atmosphere, there is, perhaps, something more concrete, as groups of Satanist, Hare Krishna and other esoteric. In any case, they are few and often appear That on the Internet.
The cause of these phenomena is always the same: the thirst for mystery, looking for another place beyond the everyday and the sensible, we need a threat to protection of em there."

Even when Krishna came, many people didnt recognized Him as Supreme Personality of Godhead. So what can WE do in this regard? practically nothing