Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

I am interested in this question, if someone please can shed some light...

This 2-step initiation system introduced BSST. At least I havent heard of any earlier use.

Here is an example of how Srinivasacarya did is sometimes.

"Virahamvira happily went before Srinivasa and reported everything to him. Patta Mahadevi ran to the feet of Srinivasa, earnestly requesting him to give her diksa. Observing the queens sincerity, Srinivasa was greatly pleased. He first poured Harinama in their ears and then gave them Radha Krsna mantra. He directed them to worship by the method of Kamavija and Gayatrivija. They were also instructed to serve a Tulasi manjari lovingly because without the performing these various practices, no one could attain the essence of parakiya lila and rasa in the abode of Vraja. They were further directed to worship with a pure mind and pure devotion if they desired to attain the divine favour of Radha and Krsna. They were also told to listen intently to kirtana and to worship the feet of the Vaisnavas. Srinivasa Acarya aslo favored the prince, Sri Raja Hamvira." It appears to be a three stage process, harinama, radhakrisna mantra and than gayatris.

What I have heard is that Bhaktivinoda Thakura gave the harinama (and some Nrsimha mantras) to his son Bhaktisiddhnata Sarasvati. Does it make him direct disciple of Bhaktivinoda Thakura?

It doesnt clearly say that it happened at three different times though.

However there is evidence of giving harinama, way back when. But that would not constitute becoming part of the sampradaya. Anyway GBC standard for when you become a guru or the famous rubberstamping is that if you got initiation (second) from someone who is not Prabhupada, you should look for his permission to become a guru or at least he should be a vaisnava in a good standing, otherwise some (in 1990s) were asked to get re-initiation.

No one doubts giving harinama in early times. Or?

permission to become a guru: in which form? I heard a request for a certificate from ritvik side but they conveniently forget that SP himself didnt get any stamped Initiating Guru (TM) certificate.

Why do you say diksha mantra is given in the second? WRONG!! our diksha is Harinam and the first initiation is the actual one. second is sometimes called real becasue it allows one to touch fire in kitchen, serve deities directly and serve Sannyasis ...... Name is the juice in our line, and name giver, is the diksha guru...We are different than narayanna he has a unique understand.....guru is omniscient ect......AC Baktivedanta PRABHUPADA is very orthodox,along with the previous archaryas.Sridhar swami is loyal to the genuine bhaktisiddanta mood!....at least that is my trained understanding,and the quotes i am looking at,Will offer them if others see the use....jaya ho! sri balarama

Harinam is vaidika/bhagavata, diksa (those seven mantras) pancaratrika. GV stands on these two pillars.