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Installation of Krisna Balarama

Philosophy · asked by user [] · 2010-05-28 · 32 answers
This weekend the KB installation in Alachua. Anyone knows who is the acarya? (According to installation process it is duty of the acarya to invite/pray for Krishna to appear in the deity form, by placing the hand on the deity etc.). That should sort out the age ole question... (not talking about officiating acaryas and the ritiks here)
user [366] · 2010-05-28
You mean the Krsna Balarama installation in Alachua?
user [154] · 2010-05-28
[quote][cite] Kyros:[/cite]You mean the Krsna Balarama installation in Alachua?[/quote] Yes. sorry for not making it clear...
user [565] · 2010-05-28
You mean officiating Acharya?
user [154] · 2010-05-28
No, acarya who invites the deities to descent. You can not install deities otherwise. Officiating acarya is a term used in initiations within the institution for gurus who do not have independent maths or movements. Not that I am arguing with you dave or pretend that I think you are actually Anandahari.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
I just wanted to know the name. I guess I will have to ask Gaura Kesava to be sure.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite]No, acarya who invites the deities to descent. You can not install deities otherwise. Officiating acarya is a term used in initiations within the institution for gurus who do not have independent maths or movements. Not that I am arguing with you dave or pretend that I think you are actually Anandahari.[/quote]

not that anyone really knows what the Founder-Acharya meant when he used this term and not that u r passing off ur opinion as the correct and only interpretation. And of course not that there ever any dishonesty exhibited here on and on...
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Sure Prabhupada was talking about deity installations when he used the term and you are for sure the next acarya Dave. Come on, your limited understanding of what the term acarya means is rather discouraging.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
Like I said,not that there is,at all, ever any deep-rooted dishonesty constantly exhibited here over and over...

Sri Acharya is one.

Jaya Sri Nityananda Rama!

Individual souls are under the direction of Nityananda. They receive their service of Shri Gaurasundara, i.e., of Krishna, at His hands. Nityananda is not a jiva. He is Divinity. He is the ultimate source of the jiva. The jiva is a potency of Nityananda. No jiva can be the medium of the service of the Absolute to another jiva. The Absolute alone may communicate His service to the separable constituents of Himself. This is the real nature of the function of the guru.'94 Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur'a0

Those who have accepted bhogus gurus are infected with apasiddhanta. "If a man once takes the bad association of counterfeit Vaisnavas or non-Vaisnavas, he will never follow any beneficial instructions. He will only learn hypocrisy." Babaji Maharaja, Two Beyond Duality

"As a result of an offense to the Holy Name or an offense in worshipping the Deity one will acheive three results: dharma (mundane piety), artha (material opulence), and kama (sense pleasure). These are actually misfortunes for the living entity. Our guru, Lord Nityananda, cheats pseudo-devotees by supplying their material wants but depriving them of love of God." Babaji Maharaja, Two Beyond Duality
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Sure I agree with you Dave. But still I would like to know who it was.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
U wish u could be so fortunate.

The opportunity to hear instructions about the science of the self (atma-tattva) is very rare. Even after hearing them, most cannot realize those instructions because a master who is self-realized (atma-tattva-vit) is very rare. If, by great fortune, such a teacher is available, the students themselves who are willing to hear this topic, are also extremely rare. (Katha Upanisad 1.2.7)
user [565] · 2010-05-28
"Unfortunately, in present day society, in the name of suddha-bhakti, various types of mixed devotion--such as karma-misra, jnana-misra, and yoga-misra, as well as various polluted and imaginary conceptions--are spreading like germs of plague. People in general consider these polluted and mixed conceptions to be bhakti. They respect them as such and thus are deprived of suddha-bhakti. These polluted and mixed conceptions are our greatest enemies. Some people say that there is no value in bhakti: that God is only imaginary sentiment, that man has merely created the image of God through imagination, and that bhakti is a diseased state, unable to benefit us in any way. These types of opponents cannot harm us much, because we easily recognize them and avoid them. However, those who propagate bhagavad-bhakti as the highest dharma--yet behave against the principles of suddha-bhakti--can be especially harmful to us. In the name of bhakti, they instruct us against the actual principles of bhakti. This ultimately lead us to a path that is diametrically opposed to bhagavad-bhakti. Therefore, with great endeavor, our previous acaryas have defined the svarupa or intrinsic nature of bhakti, repeatedly cautioning us to keep away from polluted and mixed concepts."
(Bhakti Viveka Tattva by His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivinode Takura Prabhupada.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
I am practicing mixed devotion Dave, you are right. My only hope is to serve the devotees who are not interested in material distinction and determined to serve in accordance with the principles. It is indeed is very rare as you point out. How fortunate you are dave prabhu to realize it. However you are diverting the question, I am asking who is/was the acarya in this instance. I agree that acarya is one, that nobody should be mixed devotee and pretend to be an acarya, and I agree that I am a mixed devotee who seeks liberation from Krishna, among so many other misra things, like burfies, laddus, name and fame, pratistha and any other form of proud and selfish benefits.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
You mean officiating Acharya?
user [154] · 2010-05-28
I edited my question, thank you for asking it twice. Lol
user [565] · 2010-05-28
U r talking about officiating Acharya! Yes?
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Lol
user [565] · 2010-05-28
Only onto those who are thoroughly honest...
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Exactly. Thank you anandahari
user [565] · 2010-05-28
not that anyone really knows what the Founder-Acharya meant when he used the term and not that u r passing off ur opinion as the correct and only interpretation.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Exactly nobody knows. So your question that you repeat three times does not mean anything, because it can mean anything.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Any other things that disturb your mind dave?
user [565] · 2010-05-28
[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite] Officiating acarya is a term used in initiations within the institution for gurus who do not have independent maths or movements. Anandahari.[/quote]
Only onto those who are thoroughly honest...
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Did Prabhupada ever used this term for installation of the deities? Only onto those who are thoroughly honest...
user [565] · 2010-05-28
not that anyone really knows what the Founder-Acharya meant when he used the term and not that u r passing off ur opinion as the correct and only interpretation.

...are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite] Officiating acarya is a term used in initiations within the institution for gurus who do not have independent maths or movements. Anandahari.[/quote]

not that anyone really knows what the Founder-Acharya meant when he used the term and not that u r passing off ur opinion as the correct and only interpretation.

...are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
You are using it as red herring, just to avoid the simple question who was the acarya for the installation of the Deities in Alachua. You pretend to be honest, and we appreciate it very much. Not. But stick to the question and quit being disruptive.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
"Officiating acarya is a term used in initiations within the institution for gurus who do not have independent maths or movements."


Not that u r passing off ur bias interpretation as the conclusive definition rather then possible or probable falsehood.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur; Worldly people possess a double nature. They express one kind of sentiment but internally cherish a different purpose. Moreover, they want to advertise this duplicity as a mark of liberalism or love of harmony. Those who are unwilling to show any duplicity wish to be frank and straight forward or in other words to exercise unambiguously the function of the soul. Such persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practice duplicity.
user [154] · 2010-05-28
Red herring and abuse. (as usual Nrsimhadave) Go to bed.
user [565] · 2010-05-28
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Thakurs mercy. Of course those who always exhibit thorough honesty,would take it as such.
user [2] · 2010-05-28
Once I heard (I know, I know, its a silly beginning) that Deities descended due to the will of the assemb'f1ed vaishnavas in that place.
Maybe another excuse to maintain the status quo after the super guru Bhagavan fell, but sounds nice.
user [447] · 2010-05-29
Is there not a verse that says any person can build a temple and rightfully install deities, and even live inside that temple?
user [170] · 2010-05-29
Acharya often means guru and guru means acharya. The two words are interchangeable with English translation spiritual master in Prabhupadas use, except when he is talking about an institutional position.

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