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but you are already predispositioned to reject whatever we say so what is the use of trying to convince you?

Dear Stinking Demon, (lol)

Sorry to answer with a question, but it is necessary due to the urgency of your quest.

Are you prepared to experiment on yourself what we are going to tell you?

Spiritual life is a scientific process but can only be proven with you as the willing experimental object.

If not, better to be a good Stinking Demon for now and learn by hard experience. You have my support.

[quote][cite] mishra:[/cite] Are you prepared to experiment on yourself what we are going to tell you? [/quote]

That sounds a bit scary. Experimentation with myself?

Still, I want to be sure that you know that Im seriously challenging you to a debate here.

Im not planning to dispose of your points with dismissive rhetoric.

If you make a good point - Ill acknowledge it.

Id just expect the same in return. Dont brush over my points with dogmatic religious speech and this could be interesting.

As a good demon, I hope you will not spare a good opportunity for sense gratification I am offering you, even if it means to experiment with yourself.

And yes, I love to debate w/o the faith subject argument.

You have to accept Krishnas process by which he can be known. Thats all. It is completely possible to directly experience the existence of God, just as you can directly experience your hunger and its satiation when you eat. You follow the process that Krishna gives, and you get direct perception of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

What is the difficulty?

You want science - do the experiment. :-)

[quote][cite] mishra:[/cite]As a good demon, I hope you will not spare a good opportunity for sense gratification I am offering you, even if it means to experiment with yourself.[/quote]

To be perfectly honest, I gave up this sort of thing when i found out it contributed to Alzheimers disease and impotency. But sure Ill hear what you have to say, man. shoot.

First, allow me a question, for your name I venture that you have been a "devotee" some time ago, meaning you already practiced?

Or you just picked the name from one of our flamed preachers?

here is Gods footprint:
http://www.vaisnava.cz/fotky/vrindavan/go065-v.jpg
so he does exist.
:)

Im a devotee of me. Always have been. I picked the name from what I hear Hare Krishnas refer to anyone but themselves as.

How does that relate to the question at hand Does God exist?

ummm .... not sure what to say about Gods footprint

am i allowed to pass on that one?

I dont want to offend anyone with a dismissive quip.

(1) Atheists are evolutionists who worship Darwin.
(2) See, everyone needs to worship a god, even Atheists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
more
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

It is relevant because I want to pick up from where you are. My approach would be totally different.
I dont know where you are, but here is breakfast time and then I should go on some errands. Would you please bear with me for a few hours so I can be totally free and disposed for the argument?

sure. I can visit back over several days. As long as the discussion doesnt go the way of You gotta just believe!!!

that kind of turn or burn stuff is what makes religion so problematic in the world today.

Dear SK demon das

please define tangible and verifiable proof so we can accept agreement to that meaning, and then we may be able present the evidence that suits. I dont want to present evidence ad-hoc as you will not accept its authority. So what does tangible mean, what does verifiable so we can present something you can accept.

[quote][cite] Stinking Karmi Demon:[/cite]sure. I can visit back over several days. As long as the discussion doesnt go the way of You gotta just believe!!!

that kind of turn or burn stuff is what makes religion so problematic in the world today.[/quote]

I agree. See you later.

Tangible means something i can experience.

Verifiable means something I can understand.

Of the two Id prefer verifiable as the experiential inevitably will venture into the realm of faith or someone here trying to convince me to pray or something similar.

If you just use logic and reason that will be sufficient. This is the bonus for having evolved into human existence isnt it?

I enjoy the privilege of being a human - I dont have to accept things on blind faith and out of fear. I can use my eyes to observe the world around me. Drawing upon this experience with reason I can gradually make sense of it all - no need to invent fables or god stories to explain things.

I accept verifiable as a criteria for us to use

however

if we accept "that I can experience" we might have some trouble because you wont believe our experience so how is it that we should believe yours? We obviously need some better criteria to gain agreement on.

I could accept that you need to understand it but I cannot accept that your experience is a criteria for my belief system.

Is there another criteria we can use. At the moment we are limited. It is difficult to make a point without accepted criteria for making it. What other kinds of evidence might you accept. Let us know.

Dude. Just convince me. Give me some sound argument that can be verified by logic and reason.

[quote][cite] sitapati:[/cite]What is the difficulty?[/quote]

ok?

The devotees here can surely give you sound arguments.

The question will then be evident: "Can you accept those sound arguments?"

At the moment they are just trying to determine where to put the arguments - in other words what level of consciousness have you evolved to" - then they will discuss with you on that level. (This is just out of courtesy so as to not waste yours or their time.)

Thanks for visiting. I look forward to hearing the points discussed.

Ok. It seems, to me, to be that the answer has already been given to you. However, without any context to be able to receive it you have missed it. So I thought if we could work out some acceptable criteria when it was posed to you again you might pick it up.

I am glad that you quoted Sitapati because he gave you the answer:

You have to accept Krishnas process by which he can be known. Thats all. It is completely possible to directly experience the existence of God, just as you can directly experience your hunger and its satiation when you eat. You follow the process that Krishna gives, and you get direct perception of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

All knowledge is like this, as you are probably already familiar. To make sense of something you have to have a context to receive it with. If I spoke in Wiradjuri* you would not understand it, no matter what I said in Wiradjuri* to explain it. There would be a long gap of context gaining before we could actually speak.

So to cut a long post short there is a process that has been verified by people who have each practiced it in turn for millenia. I would offer you their experience but as you say you will only accept your own. So thats what we are left with, and so we will work with that.

As Sitapati has said you need to practice this process.

That which we would offer to you can only be received that way

For me it is a bit like this: People are born with the capacity to walk, but new born they have no ability for it, it is not possible, I am sure you would agree with that. If they are kept away from other people they will never walk. In fact they will die very quickly. Babies need to associate with people who walk and they need to practice walking, before the ability really develops and they can really know what walking is and what it is for. As you may know when babies see people walking they want to walk and they try doing it.

Let me admit to you that I am only practicing walking myself. I am a baby in these things. I was as you describe yourself: a religious troll, until I came across this information, that if you want to experience it for yourself... then you have to enter the experience.

Quote:You have to accept Krishnas process by which he can be known. Thats all. It is completely possible to directly experience the existence of God, just as you can directly experience your hunger and its satiation when you eat. You follow the process that Krishna gives, and you get direct perception of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Unquote.

What do you think

Dear demon, this is what your science has to say:

"Do you know that Darwins theory of evolution is derived from the Newtonian worldview? Do you know that from the standpoint of the quantum physical worldview, Darwinian evolution stands upon no scientific foundation whatsoever?"

"Orthodox Darwinian position is that the events of nature give rise to consciousness. Hence consciousness depends upon nature, not vice versa. But quantum mechanics, when understood free of the deception tagged by Hoyle, may point to the opposite conclusion: the events of nature are completely dependent upon consciousness. Indeed, this is the Vedic conclusion."

http://www.suhotraprabhu.com/in2-mec/index.php?p=J031222

Debate on the existence of God, very nice:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=752632017081872069

[youtube]zaKryi3605g[/youtube]

your hero defeated

Dear Demon,

First, let me tell you that I appreciate more your quest for truth than the hypocritical display of spirituality by many narrow minded fellows in the religions of the world.

Now, let me ask you, if you think or are prepared to accept an origin of the universe, and if not why?. Weuc0u314 l leave out the concept of God for now, if you allow me.

..follow the four regulative princples,chant 16 good rounds,see for yourself.

dear demon:
where are you?
are you busy chanting the maha mantra after you got convinced of its potency?

your servant,
abhiram

Gour Govinda Maharaja has said, "If you are chanting the pure name or remembering the pure name, you will immediately see the beautiful form of Syamasundara. It will be manifest before you. That is the test that you are chanting the pure name; you will see Syamasundara immediately..."
So, Stinking Karmi Demon, are you chanting purely?

Dear Stinky,

Is that a picture of Satan next to your name?

i think he became a devotee and is rendering service at his local temple or he just ran away from us.

[quote][cite] abhiram:[/cite]i think he became a devotee and is rendering service at his local temple or he just ran away from us.[/quote]

hehe lol :D

Just as you cant prove God doesnt exist, one cannot prove He does. Jr. high school debate tactic.

Demon prabhu didnt really come back did he?
Maybe he is busy making a tour to India or in the worst case thought whatever and went on to the next religious forum site.

Lets keep it positive.;-)
But I was really interested in this thread. What Demon prabhus reaction would be. And what the prabhus would advise and say to him...

:-(

I wanted to know about the picture of Satan next to his name. I was wondering if he believes in Satan and if so, why not god. I ran into a so-called atheist once who believed in Satan and I asked him this same question. He could not answer and the conversation ended.

the same happened here it seems.
:)

Dear Demon,

Waiting for you, when you so wish...

Can you prove that light exists to a blind man?

God is a subjective experience; He cant be objectively proven.

And no proof will satisfy the mind. The mind will ask if the proof is valid. God is beyond the mind, beyond senses, and will reveal Himself only to those whom He chooses to.

But if your question is sincere, He will give you the proof. Krishna proved to me that He is God. Go and challenge the deity at any Iskcon temple, and if He is kind, He will reveal Himself to you.

Asking if God exists is just like asking if existence exists.

Anyway, lets for arguments sake say there is no God. Happy?

On: time, death, digestion, love, heat, rain, forgetting, knowledge, authority, etc.

*Have you noticed that no matter what, time marches on? We can neither stop it nor get it back.

The Blessed Lord said: Time I am, destroyer of the worlds, and I have come to engage all people.
Srimad Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 11, Verse 32.

*Are you aware that every living thing will have to die?

I am immortality, and I am also death personified.
Srimad Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9, Verse 19.

*If it is too hot, you cover your body or turn on the heat, but you cannot change the weather; if there is too much rain you must get to safety, if there is no rain, you must wait for it.

O Arjuna, I control heat, the rain and the drought.
Srimad Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9, Verse 19.

*Where does love come from?
Of procreators I am Kandarpa, the god of love.
Chapter 10, Verse 28.

*How does your body digest the food you eat?

I am the fire of digestion in every living body, and I am the air of life, outgoing and incoming, by which I digest the four kinds of foodstuff.
Chapter 15, Verse 14.

*Why do you forget or remember anything?

I am seated in everyones heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness.
Chapter 15, Verse 15.

*Why is mother compared to knowledge about God?
Child, who is a by-product of parents coupling, does not know who impregnated his mother, he has not choice but to accept her authority as to who his father is.

Neither the hosts of demigods nor the great sages know My origin, for, in every respect, I am the source of the demigods and the sages.
Chapter 10, Verse 2.

*Actually, we control very little. We didnt chose to be born, we dont want to get diseases, we do not want to get old, weak and dependent and we will try to avoid dying if possible. These are unwanted problems in life. Evidence of a Supreme Controller who controls everything is all around us. It is up to us to chose what kind of relationship we want with Him--loving, protected or angry, fearful.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 8. Attaining the Supreme
TEXT 22

purusah sa parah partha
bhaktya labhyas tv ananyaya
yasyantah-sthani bhutani
yena sarvam idam tatam

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is greater than all, is attainable by unalloyed devotion. Although He is present in His abode, He is all-pervading, and everything is situated within Him.

PURPORT by His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada

It is here clearly stated that the supreme destination from which there is no return is the abode of Krsna, the Supreme Person. The Brahma-samhita describes this supreme abode as ananda-cinmaya-rasa, a place where everything is full of spiritual bliss. Whatever variegatedness is manifest there is all of the quality of spiritual bliss--there is nothing material. All variegatedness is expanded as the spiritual expansion of the Supreme Godhead Himself, for the manifestation there is totally of the spiritual energy, as explained in Chapter Seven. As far as this material world is concerned, although the Lord is always in His supreme abode, He is nonetheless all-pervading by His material energy. So by His spiritual and material energies He is present everywhere--both in the material and in the spiritual universes. Yasyantah-sthani means that everything is sustained by Him, whether it be spiritual or material energy.
It is clearly stated here that only by bhakti, or devotional service, can one enter into the Vaikuntha (spiritual) planetary system. In all the Vaikunthas there is only one Supreme Godhead, Krsna, who has expanded Himself into millions and millions of plenary expansions. These plenary expansions are four-armed, and They preside over the innumerable spiritual planets. They are known by a variety of names--Purusottama, Trivikrama, Kesava, Madhava, Aniruddha, Hrsikesa, Sankarsana, Pradyumna, Sridhara, Vasudeva, Damodara, Janardana, Narayana, Vamana, Padmanabha, etc. These plenary expansions are likened unto the leaves of a tree, and the main tree is likened to Krsna. Krsna, dwelling in Goloka Vrndavana, His supreme abode, systematically conducts all affairs of both universes (material and spiritual) without a flaw by power of His all-pervasiveness.

:) yes still here after all these years.

Hello again!

Cant perceive something with our senses? Doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Take our minds, for example. No one has seen a mind but we know it exists due to evidence of the result of its working. Similarly, radio waves have never been seen by us, but we understand they do exist by listening to the radio. Ever see electricity? But you use it? Effect is the only evidence we have that they exist, but it is valid and conclusive. Read on

na ca mat-sthani bhutani
pasya me yogam aisvaram
bhuta-bhrn na ca bhuta-stho
mamatma bhuta-bhavanah

'93And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence. Although I am the maintainer of all living entities and although I am everywhere, still My Self is the very source of creation.'94 (Bg. 9.5)

Although all beings in the universe are resting in Krsna'92s energy, still they are not in Him. Krsna is maintaining all living entities, and His energy is all-pervading, yet He is elsewhere. This is Krsna'92s inconceivable mystic power. He is everywhere, yet He is aloof from everything. We can perceive his energy, but we cannot see Him because He cannot be seen with material eyes. However, when we develop our spiritual qualities, we sanctify our senses so that even within this energy we can see Him. ELECTRICITY, for instance, is everywhere, and an electrician is capable of utilizing it. Similarly, the energy of the Supreme Lord is everywhere, and when we become transcendentally situated, we can see God eye to eye everywhere. That spiritualization of the senses is possible through devotional service and love of God. The Lord is all-pervading all over the universe and is within the soul, the heart, water, air,everywhere. Thus if we make an image of God in anything,clay, stone, wood or whatever,it should not be considered to be just a doll. That also is God. If we have sufficient devotion, the image will also speak to us.

by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada from Raja Vidya, The King of Knowledge

Can I just start an internet round of applause for SK Demon Das?

I think its great that you came here to ask about this in such a way, it seems very open minded to me. I also like how you havent come here to make quips and how you dont want to give yourself Alzheimers(never heard that before).

I have to say. The responses given here are far more thought provoking than what Ive received from other religious forums.

In response to maah! (nice pic by the way) - true there are many things in this world that I have taken on faith - as a child I learned almost everything from my mother and father. I had no personal means of accepting that, for instance, the sun wasnt actually following us when we went on car trips (i could have sworn it did when i was 5). I just had to take Dads word for it.

The weak part of this argument is that at some point I evolved into a mature (well, kinda) adult and could perceive and verify information myself or ascertain the credibility of my sources for information. Religious groups, and I dont think you are an exception, always get stuck here by dismissing what can be verified by reason or direct perception in preference to a doctrine or, even more frighteningly, a divine revelation.

The passage you quoted by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is suggesting that I could make an image of God out of whatever and it becomes God. This is difficult for me to understand. Can I stack beer cans after a party and fall prostrated before my altar and expect them to speak to me? Tell you what - Ill try and get back to you with the results. ("I once was blind but now I see.")

From my perspective this confirms the flimsy ground on which faith mongers stand. There are real problems in the world. How can they be solved by making an image of God in anything,clay, stone, wood or whatever and hoping that If we have sufficient devotion, the image will also speak to us.

It reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw once "I do everything my rice crispies tell me."

[quote][cite] chirpycynic:[/cite]Go and challenge the deity at any Iskcon temple, and if He is kind, He will reveal Himself to you. [/quote]

Are there not-so-kind ones? And how would I do this anyway? Dont you bar people other than Hare Krishnas to your temples?

[quote][cite] chirpycynic:[/cite]Asking if God exists is just like asking if existence exists.[/quote]

I disagree. Im quite sure I exist.

[quote][cite] chirpycynic:[/cite]Anyway, lets for arguments sake say there is no God. Happy?[/quote]

Happiness is also subjective and I wouldnt even outright dismiss the notion that there is a God. Im just asking for some verifiable proof. If you can get me into one of your temples I might just go and ask your deitiy. I hope I get lucky and get a kind one. Would be an interesting adventure I could tell my friends about.

> Dont you bar people other than Hare Krishnas to your temples?

Nope. We only bar Hare Krishnas, all others are welcome...:-)

God = existence

thus even if you can not perceive Him personally, you have to assume existance. No need for evidence for existance, it is a priori.

It is very nice that you are inquiring about the Supreme Lord. It is the most important duty in human life. Everyone experiences God in some form. For the determined Atheist, He is experienced as ultimate death.
Wanting to see God is something like wanting to meet with any very important person, except that God is the most important person. What would happen if any of us ordinary persons wanted to meet the president of the US. or even a big corporate executive or a Mafia Don? Immediately, those surrounding these important persons are trained to question our intentions. In most cases, sincere as we might be, meeting with these types would never occur. So the Supreme Lord also has His screening process. One must be absolutely sincere, otherwise such experience will never occur. This is a gradual process , like peeling off the layers of an onion. Thank you for beginning the process. Wishing you profound success.

[quote][cite] borokrsnadasa:[/cite]God = existence

thus even if you can not perceive Him personally, you have to assume existence. No need for evidence for existence, it is a priori.[/quote]

I dont buy it. Existence is one feature of God, not indicative of God personally. If "God = existence" then "existence = God." It follows then that "I exist, therefore I am God." No. It is not like that. I am brahman, but I am not God.[br /][br /]

In the matter of the original question, my understanding is that sastra is proof of Gods existence. Even forgetting the knowledge contained in satra, it is clearly beyond the ability of human composition. Then there is the content, inconceivable and undeniable. We may not be able to see God, but we can hear His sounds. That is sastra.[br /][br /]

Take Bhagavad-gita for example. God is speaking. Of course, someone may question how we know Krishna is God. Maybe He is simply a madman or a megalomaniac. Then why did Arjuna, citing many sages, accept Him? One can dismiss everything, but who can force a complete fool to accept anything no matter how valuable? In Bhagavad-gita, not only does Krishna declare Himself God, He also tells how He can become qualified to see Him, and it is very simple. All it takes is the exclusive desire to see Him, but maya will test that. Krishnas path is paved with wish-fulfilling gems, and who can resist taking one? Then its "dont let Krishna see me."[br /][br /]

Often people whimsically demand someone to show God, but He reserves the right not to be revealed to such impudent creatures. Their inability to see God is proof only of their own disqualification, that God is too far above them to respond to their demands. Even if He were to come, the impure soul would only make offense. But as soon as someone is sincere, Krishna is very pleased to respond, as a great many fortunate souls know.

> Dont you bar people other than Hare Krishnas to your temples?

Im REALLY shocked that anyone would think this. How abominable would that be?

Haridas, thats the case of e.g. Islam and Mormonism.

Evidence for God of pratyaksa and anumana type is inconclusive. Tarko pratistha. Thereferore existence of God cant be proven by such methods. Yet, there are some arguments used by theists in debates with atheists.

Im considering to write refutations to main atheistic arguments from the pov of Vedanta since the only theists involved in these debates in the West are so far Christians and Muslims and their philosophy and theology is quite lacking in comparison to theistic Vedanta. E.g. they have a hard time with the Argument from Evil.

Hello again,

Hare Krishna.

"The weak part of this argument is that at some point I evolved into a mature (well, kinda) adult and could perceive and verify information myself or ascertain the credibility of my sources for information. "

The problem with this consideration is that even a mature adult is not perfect. Sri Isopanisad states: "A living being who lives in the mundane world has four defects: (1) he is certain to commit mistakes; (2) he is subject to illusion; (3) he has a propensity to cheat others; and (4) his senses are imperfect. No one with these four imperfections can deliver perfect knowledge."

"Religious groups, and I dont think you are an exception, always get stuck here by dismissing what can be verified by reason or direct perception in preference to a doctrine or, even more frighteningly, a divine revelation.

Could you be more specific?

"The passage you quoted by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is suggesting that I could make an image of God out of whatever and it becomes God. This is difficult for me to understand."

When His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada speaks of making an image of God, in other places he explains what the Vedic image should traditionally be made of and what it should look like. According to the Vedas and other religious books, the Supreme is all-pervading and full of all potencies. If a pious soul wants to offer loving service to He Who is beyond the reach of our limited, imperfect senses, He kindly arranges to accept our service and love through His non-moving image since we are already familiar with what loving service is with the moving images of our family and friends. All energy emanates from Him, for Him, spiritual and material are non-different. Different religions have different ideas of what image is correct. Some worship holy books, some symbols, some paintings, some holy names, some combinations of several. What matters is that the soul wants to connect with its source and superior, Who is everywhere. Take Prayer. Many pious people from all walks of life and even those who do not identify with any particular religion, pray regularly or when they desire an outcome they are not able to effect themselves. Many testify that their prayers are answered. This has been going on perpetually. There would be no point in praying unless there was a need and Someone listens and responds. It is not so difficult to understand that it is attitude which brings about the response from the Supreme through whatever form the soul has faith in.

"There are real problems in the world. How can they be solved by making an image of God in anything,clay, stone, wood or whatever and hoping that If we have sufficient devotion, the image will also speak to us.

There are real problems in the world but most people are not willing to take a cold, hard look at the number one problem of their life, which is their impending death. Solve this number one problem and other pressing problems like fear, stress, disease, and old age are also solved.

The question, "Can you show me one scrap of evidence that God exists?" may not be the best way to advance your knowledge of what lies beyond the senses. Put God aside for a little while. Srila Prabhupadas books like Bhagavad Gita As It Is and Sri Isopanisad teach the science of the self and Superself, material nature, karma, time, and their interactions. If you want real satisfaction for your mind, intelligence, ego and soul, just try to understand these things first, at least you will become wise and peaceful.

Kind regards,

Alright then. Youve convinced me to join your cult. Only problem is that I dont have any hair to make a little pony tail with. Will two horns do?

We do not accept demons, sorry. You will have to shave(?) off the horns first=)

Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Youre back after a long time. Hope you are well.

i feel very sorry that your previous association with devotees gave you such a negative experience that you call yourself a stinking karmi demon and present yourself as having horns. Please forgive us. We may have impressed you that we are judgmental big shots (or worse) but we are really just beginners on the path making a great number of mistakes. What is truly amazing is that this divine process of chanting and hearing works. And many, many persons in the past became purified by knowledge of Sri Krishna and thus they all attained transcendental love for the Lord. It is a gradual process, but a green mango and a ripe mango are both mangos.

One of the six opulences of the Lord is renunciation. He is served by hundreds of thousands of Laksmis or gopis so He does not need our service. But we need Him and He knows that our true welfare and happiness is to give up service of maya and adopt service of Him so He sends His pure devotees to this world to teach this truth. Not for us, but for yourself, not to join a cult but to adopt a mood of being predominated by the Lord and Srila Prabhupada, our eternal spiritual master.

Hair or horns, heaven or hell-doesnt matter. This movement is for everyone. "Chant and be happy". That is what Srila Prabhupada offers us. Chanting is joyful and purifying, being happy is our souls true nature.

"All decent men want to give service to humanity, only thing is they do not have information really what is that service. Hospitals, feeding the poor, Red Cross, these are service to the bodies only, not to the man. Service to humanity means jnana. By giving people knowledge, jnana, that is the highest service to humanity. So we are performing the actual welfare work of society by informing everyone through our literatures who is God, who they are, and what is the relationship. In this way everyone who hears our message gets the opportunity to fulfill his actual position as human entity and become delivered from the clutches of maya. "

Srila Prabhupada letter to Rameswara

The best argument I can give is that even if you dont want to accept the existence of God, you are forced to admit that you are a creation of the universe. So, in that sense you also believe in God, because you cant deny the existence of the universe.
If you are satisfied with that impersonal conception, that you can continue as a materialist. If not, you can start to study the scriptures to try to figure out why this creation happened, what is our hole in it, etc. There are a lot of scriptures over there, Im sure that a intelligent person like you will not have any problem to understand them, but if you have any question I can try to help using my limited knowledge. :-)

Hi prabus and mathajis. im new.I dont know where should i discuss about this matter,could eveyone help me.I was told that every male iskcon devotees would become females and have sex with the lord krsna in the after life.Does anyone are aware about this?.thankyou

I want to ask Karmi Demon, a similar question.
"Can you prove that God does not exist?"
I say God exist and the proof is the creation of Earth, Sun, Water, Air, Trees.
Can you answer with utmost belief when Man came into this earth?
If God doesnot exist, do you believe ghosts or souls do, as proven scientifically using paranormal experiments?

Or simply, can you prove, God doesnot exist".

Stinking Karmi Demon,
well even demons are attracted to Krishna, though they maybe envious so He has to kill them sometimes,
but after few lifetimes them may become devotees without bad qualities... So everyone is looking for Krishna,
but some know His material energy only (atheists, materialists), others - know His impersonal rays - brahmajyoti,
others even know Him as localized Supersoul - Paramatma, and topmost transcendentalists know Him as Bhagavan, Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna-Caitanya. So even impersonalists like Shankaracharya accept Krishna.
It is only a question of time. If you take to Krishna consciousness without wasting time of many lifetimes of philosophical speculations (we probably already speculated about Vedas for many lifetimes) - then time is saved. This is difference...