Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

Yes! This is a simple solution that would end these endless debates, arguments, discussions or whatever else they can be called. Just make the original transcripts available. I have asked this question also and gotten some song and dance routine trying to distract from the simple thing to do - make the transcripts available.

Sell copies and make money. I am sure the GBC and BBT can understand that!

Possible reasons? OTs are sometimes chaotic since they were done by devotees who not always understood what Prabhupada said. They also may not be accepted as genuine by GBC-conspiracy theorists. Like that.

Recently I heard a mention (cant remember where) of a project called (something like) BBT Editorial Track which should show bookss editing history.

but to not disclose it creates for sure more problems than solves. I am sure we are grown up enough to discriminate.
To hide in the name of protect has always been disastrous in our movement.

Therefore I was personally always in favor of their publication and mentioned it in the BBT employee survey done about 2 years ago.

I came across a set of original unedited recordings of Srila Prabhupadas morning walks in Perth 1975. I was using them to make a project Srila Prabhupada in Perth for our yatra there.

I was shocked to find out that in the BBT released ones that there were huge parts of the conversations chopped out. It was strange because the conversations still didnt quite fit onto the cassette tapes even after editing. i couldnt understand why they did it?

This is a WAAAY different subject from the book edits done to bring the meaning closer to the original transcripts. I hope that the Bhaktivedanta Archives follow through on thier promise to release the original unedited audio:

http://www.gopala.org/node/6

This explanation doesnt explain why there were huge chucks missing in the MIDDLE of the conversation though.

The simple reason may be that the BA dont have these complete. Get in touch with them, please.

BBT would have to release the original transcripts, that secretiveness is causing ongoing havoc, confusion and distrust.
Please release them!!!

agree with Mishraji, but i can wonder into what is to say the topics talk about in the Krsna Book, for example topics as the oppulence of Saivits and the oppulence refering to vaisnavits. i have no money to buy these all, am habkering to get the complette Shrimad-Bhagavatam tomes about rightnow, and still.. what would be encounter when all Srila Prabhup'e4da'b4s tapes and recordings rise to the superfiece ?

thats why a guru changes the persons and or transformes them with his personal asociation but Shiva is also known as the one whom drank these poison for the walfare of all right, thence i think that how it all will come to "light" which means whence to BBT'b4s stands ?

i will like to have them but i found i'b4d like be more of a vaisnavite, which for a yatra could be great to know, i'b4ll like to know all details why didn'b4t Srila couldn'b4t make it to here, my country still, i got to face alll of it... so i think that now, i will like to have all Srila'b4s works taking into account his talks recordings. i love to listen at him allways. and now, i read the salvation of lord Siva in that KRSNA Book, its interesting so what would be the reactions of publishing ? BBT will still making money and devotees working for getting them publish and publications ?

thanks 4 Your Attention really,
Hare Krsna and Hari Hari bol !

[quote][cite] mishra:[/cite]BBT would have to release the original transcripts, that secretiveness is causing ongoing havoc, confusion and distrust.
Please release them!!![/quote]

totally agree

lol... would be wonderful if we started a petition for it, I second it

I started a wiki, http://iskconvoice.wik.is
wouldnt be good ideal to start not only petitions but polls, putting forward sound arguments to stop deviations in our movement, etc from the grassroots?
you are welcome to get an account and start pages with content. Easy to insert pics, all types of media, polls, etc. by all users.
the layout is not done, but as a wiki can be done on the fly, organizing the content as it comes...

The tapes arent available because SP reused them, recording over tapes with new dictation.

While anyone can send up a clamor to release the transcripts, do you have any idea how difficult to do that would be?

The transcripts were done in a pre digital age. Perhaps those demanding them are too young to remember, but there used to be these things called typewriters that created an ink impression on paper. That is how the original transcripts were done most likely. They are not in digital form.

So how would you suggest they be released? Who would do the work and who would pay for it? Any volunteers to type them into a computer, either manually or using OCR and then proofreading them?

Ideas are cheap to throw around, but consider that maybe the barrier to releasing them is simply logistics.

Even if you were to donate the money to push the project through, and it would be a big project, dont think that you would recover the costs by selling to devotees. As soon as the archives produce anything, the pirates are all over it, selling deep discount knock offs that still make them a profit because they have no production costs to speak of.

The Archives have tons of stuff they arent releasing because they cant afford to do it because they cant recover their costs due to piracy. The motives may not be as dark as you think.

If you are serious about this, call the Archives and see if you can go there and view the transcripts or volunteer your time to do the processing. If you arent willing to do that , then you can hardly expect anyone else to do it either.

[quote][cite] madhava gosh:[/cite]The tapes arent available because SP reused them, recording over tapes with new dictation.

While anyone can send up a clamor to release the transcripts, do you have any idea how difficult to do that would be?

The transcripts were done in a pre digital age. Perhaps those demanding them are too young to remember, but there used to be these things called typewriters that created an ink impression on paper. That is how the original transcripts were done most likely. They are not in digital form.

So how would you suggest they be released? Who would do the work and who would pay for it? Any volunteers to type them into a computer, either manually or using OCR and then proofreading them?

Ideas are cheap to throw around, but consider that maybe the barrier to releasing them is simply logistics.

Even if you were to donate the money to push the project through, and it would be a big project, dont think that you would recover the costs by selling to devotees. As soon as the archives produce anything, the pirates are all over it, selling deep discount knock offs that still make them a profit because they have no production costs to speak of.

The Archives have tons of stuff they arent releasing because they cant afford to do it because they cant recover their costs due to piracy. The motives may not be as dark as you think.

If you are serious about this, call the Archives and see if you can go there and view the transcripts or volunteer your time to do the processing. If you arent willing to do that , then you can hardly expect anyone else to do it either.[/quote]

scan them. You say, "The Archives have tons of stuff they arent releasing because they cant afford to do it because they cant recover their costs due to piracy."?????????

if they scan them, I offer myself to form a team to OCR and proof read them.
I am making a section in the colaboration wiki just for that.
Any computer can do that nowadays, and well, seems that hasnt even tried.
The truth is that all this seems obscure, not because devotees are ill brained, but because there is no clear explanation of what is happening.
You do not have to give away the originals, scan them and trust a bit in the expertise, willingness and devotional service of "plain clothes" grassroots devotees.
What is more important? To be scared of pirates, or to release a pure devotee teachings to his followers and the whole world?
Pirates will always will be, but it is a far worse violent pirate whoever is taking the decision to keep that material in the dark.
starting now..... :)
http://iskconvoice.wik.is/Petitions

[quote][cite] mishra:[/cite]if they scan them, I offer myself to form a team to OCR and proof read them.
I am making a section in the colaboration wiki just for that.
Any computer can do that nowadays, and well, seems that hasnt even tried.
The truth is that all this seems obscure, not because devotees are ill brained, but because there is no clear explanation of what is happening.
You do not have to give away the originals, scan them and trust a bit in the expertise, willingness and devotional service of "plain clothes" grassroots devotees.
What is more important? To be scared of pirates, or to release a pure devotee teachings to his followers and the whole world?
Pirates will always will be, but it is a far worse violent pirate whoever is taking the decision to keep that material in the dark.
startting now..... :)
http://iskconvoice.wik.is/Petitions[/quote]

exactly!! What precious rare jewels are we being deprived of due to so-called fear of piratcy? As for the inability to reproduce these documents - I dont buy it!

I volunteer my transcribing services for the duration of the project.

Archives is understaffed, Ive contacted them recently. Hari Sauri Prabhu brought this up in the recent GBC meetings. Efforts are being made to move forward and properly transfer all the tapes. But it costs money - big money. If you want to help, contact Archives, or you can forward donations via Friends of the BBT. They want to release this stuff properly.
http://friendsofthebbt.org/node/194

They should continue to reprint the originals of all Srila Prabhupadas books that were sighted and approved by him in person...they have done this already with the Sri Isopanisad:

http://krishnastore.com/sri-isopanisad-1969-edition-h-krishna-443.html

> The tapes arent available because SP reused them, recording over tapes with new dictation.

Some tapes survived, for KB for sure.

> They are not in digital form.

At least BG OTs are.

> What is more important? To be scared of pirates, or to release a pure devotee teachings to his followers and the whole world?

As I said above, even if OTs are released, GBC conspiracy theorists will always claim theyre not authentic since they (OTs) dont support their flawless 1st edition BG & cheating 2nd ed. BG theory.

Staff is not a problem unless you are talking about corporate staff... I can present you a few dozen individuals that would work as devotional service, no money needed (old style, but effective nonetheless). :)
No need of office, building etc, far more complicated projects are being done with excellent results with internet collaborative tools (free) software.
Forgive me to doubt the huge amount of money needed for equipment, I just bought an iMac for a little more than 1.000 dollars with 4 gig ram and intel Core Duo 2,6 gigz. Not enough power for audio processing? I can run Photoshop, Final Cut, Particle Illusion, Word, and a dozen more heavy applications at the same time and the thing doesnt even blink.
More over, that doesnt have to be purchased, I will happily put my machine to work on that project, and I suspect many others would, free of charge.
Still wanna go the hard and corporate "suspect the pirate" way?

I just have had professional advice and ProTools, the expensive tool BBT "needs"is a dinosaur these days.
I started an inquiry from friends of the BBT:
see screenshot attached

[quote][cite] VEDA:[/cite]> As I said above, even if OTs are released, GBC conspiracy theorists will always claim theyre not authentic since they (OTs) dont support their flawless 1st edition BG & cheating 2nd ed. BG theory.[/quote]
If after you can peruse the OT and see the need for such changes, still doubting, then we can call them "conspiracionists". Not before that.
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I have experienced a few super important major flaws in the spanish BBT in the past and helped fixing them (from the outside because it is a very closed system).
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Like we were typing away complicated keystrokes for the whole SB and CC original sanksrit and bengali verses until I though, hey that must be already done! and very low class printing going on in Asia, until I researched for 2 days and got the same price in a super nice local printer. Some call me a conspirator and wave maker for that, I dont care. :)

http://prabhupada.com/email.php?id=of

Better to contact the Archives directly, rather than via FotBBT. I received a quick response last time.

i just sent them an email, I would keep the forum posted on it.

Archives says that Friends of the BBT page asking for donations for equipment is old. They desisted and are working with old equipment. They need money. that is their message. I suppose for wages.

I would imagine they still need HDDs etc.

What did they say to your offering help?

if i get it right, that the instruments them have the colaborator or propietors of the archieves of is old, and that to pay a better one for procedures its easy, it just money demanding...

This is the reply:

Dear Iskcontech,

That article in the friends of the BBT is years old. We gave up on getting any support and moved on using the equipment we have. So no, that equipment is not needed. What we need is money right now for day to day operation.

With regard to an online wiki'85 while I'92m not sure specifically what you have in mind, the man power aspect of our needs will come into play a little later so your wiki concept may well be useful then. As stated before it is financial assistant that is required right now and into the future.

However, we thank you for your enquiry and support.

Your servant

Parama-rupa dasa

Bhaktivedanta Archives

Big money for new equipment is not needed, probably any of the latest computers can handle all the needed operations.

"We need money for day to day operation" is a euphemistic way of saying "we need wages" to start working.

We'b4ll find if they are willing to get any help besides the money.

Stay tuned. :)