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I like the explanation of Ravindra Svarupa in Cleaning House, Cleaning Hearts (?) seminar:
Prabhupada worked with people he got (see below). He knew that there will be many material problems due to that but they will be temporary while the spiritual benefit of this mission will be eternal.

"What can I do?" Prabhupada said sadly. "I am working with all third-class men-fools and rascals. Things are going on simply by Krsnas mercy." (SPL 6/50)

Just found this funny definition of varnasrama:
So this is essential, that the society should be divided into four classes of men: the first-class men-lazy intelligent; second-class men-busy intelligent; and third-class men-lazy fool; and fourth-class men-busy fool. (751019mw.joh)

Because of his unlimited mercy. Every criminal can redeem oneself. BTW, actually we all are criminals...

Moreover, this topic doesnt fit into category Philosophy.. Please Admin, can you move it into Social?

The very nature of ISKCON as setup by Srila Prabhupada, centralized spiritually, decentralized managerially, gave opportunity to rascals, fools and plain nutsies to install their own regimes. But I honestly cant blame Srila Prabhupada, I firmly believe that he did the best according to circumstances.

Jesus told a story of a man who sowed seed along the side of the road. Some of it fell on barren land and died. Some fell onto fertile soil and began to grow. Among those some grew alongside weeds and was choked up, and other seeds grew and bore fruit.

So the principle is universal and eternal in preaching. You preach widely and give support to all. Some people dont take it. Some get choked by weeds, and some make it.

Prabhupada gave mercy and support to a lot of people, with mixed results. There is no loss however, and life being the complex, chaotic system that it is, things are as much art as they are science. Try gardening for a while. Especially once you leave the patch for a while, the weeds spring back up like anything.

"now the GBC has become more than Guru Maharaj? as if simply GBC is meant for looking after pounds, shillings, pence. the GBC does not look after spiritual life!
that is a defect. all of our students have to become Guru, BUT THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED. this is the difficulty."
Srila Prabhupada, letter to alalanatha, 10 november, 1975

[quote][cite] janmastami prabhu:[/cite]"BUT THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED. this is the difficulty." 10 november, 1975[/quote]
So are you saying that he knew that they were criminals but did nothing and told devotees that they should accept them as siksa gurus? I doubt that this is the case, it looks like Prabhupada was just trying to train his disciples, [b] and he used some heavy words...

The most amazing thing is that these "criminals" also did positive service,while being tempted by sex and money,and we should be grateful for their adulterated service,which made possible the opening of so many temples,books distributed,prasadam etc....Srila Prabhupada knew well that he was dealing with 3rd class people,but not a single hindu family was willing to give their son for his mission,and no guru from India was willing to preach to the "mlecchas",who revolutionized the world by adopting vaisnavism.
Maybe even Kirtanananda,with his christianized vaisnavism changed some people into better persons?
Can we blame Srila Prabhupada when he accepted money from drug dealing devotees for the construction of Krishna-Balram mandir.These crazy disciples thought it was a good idea to get fast money this way,and offered it to their spiritual master,though they could have utilized it for sense gratification.

[quote] Gl wrote: Can we blame Srila Prabhupada when he accepted money from drug dealing devotees for the construction of Krishna-Balram mandir[/quote]
Are you saying that not only he knew, he also accepted thier service?

the marble inlaid plaque, thanking HH Gurukrpa Swami for his kind donation of $ 2.5 million US which built the Vrndaban Gurukula, bad karma and all, was clearly not a "tribute to his ability to sell baseball hats at sporting events". clearly, Srila Prabhupada had caught a bunch of monkeys in His net, but some of them think they are sooooo advanced.

[quote][cite] janmastami das:[/cite]the marble inlaid plaque, thanking HH Gurukrpa Swami for his kind donation of $ 2.5 million US which built the Vrndaban Gurukula, bad karma and all, was clearly not a "tribute to his ability to sell baseball hats at sporting events". clearly, Srila Prabhupada had caught a bunch of monkeys in His net, but some of them think they are sooooo advanced.[/quote]
Are you saying that if one "feels fallen" its okay then to commit crimes, because Prabhupada will accept your service and put you a marble plaque... but if one feels "soooo advanced" you will?? what'92s again the outcome then?

who would be "the ones who feel fallen"? im not certain i remember having met them.

[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite][quote] Gl wrote: Can we blame Srila Prabhupada when he accepted money from drug dealing devotees for the construction of Krishna-Balram mandir[/quote]
Are you saying that not only he knew, he also accepted thier service?[/quote]

What would you do with $2.500,000?
Burn it? give it to corrupt Indian government?[and start a 20 yr.long enquiry]...
The pure devotee cleaned this "dirty "money and changed it into Laksmi,and the building has been used for training vaisnavas.....and some less religious purposes!
Money is a neutral energy,and can be used for going to pay prostitutes or to worshhip Krishna.Srila Prabhupada used it for Krishna,and others to pay prostitutes.
It can be compared to an less intelligent child who brings a pack containing explosives,found in the rubbish, to his father,who then sells it to gold digging miners!"Stupid child!"reminds the father"dont ever do this again!"

Muslim "religious"men refuses dirty money....but use clean money to kill cows and buy weapons for killing infidels[Krishna worshippers]

The points stands the devotees involved in nonsense did not start off that way. What we can understand they did later fall down however all most all might still be superficially favorable to Srila Prubhupada and were so at the time Swami Maharaja was present, at the lest.
the devotees got rejected because of their improper actions or lack of proper action.
A.C Bhaktivendta Swami quotes Chandika Pundit "A friend or enemy is knowen by his actions"

Any particular reason why u ask such question CC Prabhu. Does the idea fuel doubt for u?

Ysvt.

HK!

Never thought about it Dave;-) I have no doubts as you know;-)

R u been totally honest when u say its just random question or do u like Mayesvara have some issues with Srila Prabhupada. I understand if u do not want to talk about it on a public form.

Also could u be more specific about which criminals u r referring too.

Thanks.

Ysvt.

HK!

No it is not a random question, bu it is not based on doubts. It is about Guru-kripa who had criminal past, would become a criminal, and later went into jail for smuggling drugs etc and is being worshiped in Krsna Balaram mandir as some sort of a siksa-guru. Now question is why people just assume SP likes it ?

[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite][quote][cite] janmastami das:[/cite]the marble inlaid plaque, thanking HH Gurukrpa Swami for his kind donation of $ 2.5 million US which built the Vrndaban Gurukula, bad karma and all, was clearly not a "tribute to his ability to sell baseball hats at sporting events". clearly, Srila Prabhupada had caught a bunch of monkeys in His net, but some of them think they are sooooo advanced.[/quote]
Are you saying that if one "feels fallen" its okay then to commit crimes, because Prabhupada will accept your service and put you a marble plaque... but if one feels "soooo advanced" you will?? what'92s again the outcome then?[/quote]
Basically I take he just tried to motivate his donors, but did not support them in their crimes?

Cc-> "Never thought about it Dave"

I thought there might have been some thought or motive behind question,maybe a valid one at that. However why do u not agree with said person been worshiped as siksa Guru. Is it harmfull in some way?

Thanks.

Ysvt.

Come on - you ether answer the question or lay off. It is not a purpose of pariprasnena to examine motivation (and remove my smilies:-) in quotes). I do not agree that known criminals, especially who continue illegal and antisocial harmful activities, should be worshiped as anything. If you do not agree it is your problem; you probably do not have a problem with it, I have. I feel it is offensive to Srila Prabhupadas memory to suggest that he approved of their crimes or encouraged it or even accepted such acts as devotional service. So for me the answer to the question is [still] - no he did NOT support future or known criminals. Let me know if you disagree.

Cc. - > "I do not agree that known criminals, especially who continue illegal and antisocial harmful activities, should be worshiped as anything."

Prabhu,r u saying that said devotee is commiting illegal and antisocial harmful activities at present?

Ysvt.

Not while he is being worshiped on the vyasasana... but trust me people do not change and if instead of heroin it is illegal trade in valuable stones, it does not change the essence. Sastrically it is fine to worship a devotee who is from material point of view or morally deviant, provided he is fixed in his determination of ananya bhakti and attains pure devotional service. But to make a point that we do it because "Prabhupada gave so much support to them while they were criminals" is bogus, you must agree with it.

R u sure that ur accusation of illegal trade is true CC?

Ysvt.

Ps- Malati Maharani was also apparently engaged in Illegal heroin activities. Would u also contend her GBC position etc?

Thank u.

Ysvt.

Nobody is using fictitious "Prabhupadas approval" for Malati, she knew it was wrong, but one should not take it lightly. I am not a judge, I just want to see what is your opinion (something you in principle NEVER give, bhakta dave, so what is the point of discussion with you, pointless as you can see). Ask your own question...

Cc - > "So for me the answer to the question is [still] - no he did NOT support future or known criminals. Let me know if you disagree."

this later statement of urs prabhu seems to be in conflict with ur original claim which is the title of the thread.

R u backpeddling or something or am I misunderstanding?

Ysvt.

Obviously you are misunderstanding (as usual;-), since you asked for a motive you got it.

Cc - > "So for me the answer to the question is [still] - no he did NOT support future or known criminals.

U r contradicting ur original statement and title of thread. Is it not?

Ysvt.

HK!

sorry - not statement - a question. Do you disagree with my version of the answer? if yes please clearly state so. So far you expressed no opinion or an understanding -- and did not answer the question (in 7 posts above you did not answer the question or did not accept any other view (do you see a thanks button?)... 7 posts and no answer - it must be a record!). (I bet you will say now that you will not be able to answer it...)

So it is a loaded question then. This is not pariprashnena,is it?

How can one be required to give an opinion or viewpoint on a presuposition that may be a falsehood.

In principle Cc u NEVER formulate a question which is not loaded. ;)

ysvt.

Hari!

Funny yeah Dave, try it again.

R u Ok,Cc?

Dont take these exchanges so personally.

Ysvt.

Why would I? (I know you Dave Prabhu after all all too well...)

Likewise I hope! :-)

ysvt.

So How can one be required to give an opinion or viewpoint on a presuposition that may be a falsehood?

Just like you can be asked a question - prove that God exists - it is a false question (but will show what you mean by the word God and exists). In the same way if I ask why he did, it does not mean that I support those who say that he did. I may ask a question Can you prove that God exist? even if I know that it is not a perfect question. So well we are imperfect Dave, thats why we need people like you to correct us all the time.

I dont see the need to interrogate ccd for asking this. Its an obvious question, one that perplexes me when I think about it. So far I just deal with it by considering it as part of Krishnas mysterious plan.

I know Cc!

HES A SPY FOR THE ENEMY!!

Only kidding! ;-)

HK!

Did you edit this last text Dave? (you can still do it...;-)

U got Bhadras number Cc?

Ysvt.

Happy birthday dave... I hope you will get better...

"Why did Prabhupada gave so much support to future criminals? Was he wrong in doing so?"

I am witnessing a somewhat similar situation, but on a much much smaller scale.

When I first went to a nama-hatta meeting, I was struck by the disorder I saw there - at least to me, it seemed disorder. I was very appalled and hurt.

After much internal struggle, I came to think to that things there simply are the way they are because they cant be any better. That with those people there, this is as good as it gets. That given these circumstances, the roles of who gets to play the instruments, who gets to serve the prasadam etc. are reasonably well distributed, considering the people available. That they are just doing their job, and doing their job reasonably well, even though otherwise one may have justified objections to their behavior.

It does require quite a stretch, though. For example, the devotee who serves the prasadam is someone from whom I otherwise would not accept anything or want to have anything to do with. So I have a lot of internal struggle to accept the prasadam she is serving (the prasadam was prepared by the brahmacari). If she ever prepares the prasadam for the nama-hatta, then I dont know what I will do.

[quote][cite] Baker:[/cite]. If she ever prepares the prasadam for the nama-hatta, then I dont know what I will do.[/quote] Say you were so sick...

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"These elevated souls are not to be questioned by us. They have a higher purpose which we cannot determine. One should not try to imitate those who are very powerful - but one should simply follow their instructions."

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Prabhupada Letters :: 1970.

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"I feel it is offensive to Srila Prabhupadas memory to suggest that he approved of their crimes or encouraged it or even accepted such acts as devotional service. So for me the answer to the question is [still] - no he did NOT support future or known criminals. Let me know if you disagree."

What you really mean is:
Srila Prabhupada should not have supported known criminals.

Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna do not blunder, they are far, far beyond our conceptions and understanding, What to speak of great sages, devotees and demigods, no ordinary conditioned soul can understanding why They do what They do; our only duty is to serve them faithfully, not judge Them. Influenced by Kali, unfortunate souls overlook their own failings and ignorance, but find fault with God and His Pure Representative.

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The pure devotee'92s ecstatic service is an elevated stage of devotion that is often misinterpreted and misunderstood by those unacquainted with the science of devotion. For this kind of aparadha one is deprived of the shelter of a Vaishnava guru.'94

(Anubhuc0u257 u7779 ya, CC, Antya 4.193)

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[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite][quote][cite] Baker:[/cite]. If she ever prepares the prasadam for the nama-hatta, then I dont know what I will do.[/quote] Say you were so sick...[/quote]

I dont understand ... What do you mean?

[quote][cite] Baker:[/cite][quote][cite] ccd:[/cite][quote][cite] Baker:[/cite]. If she ever prepares the prasadam for the nama-hatta, then I dont know what I will do.[/quote] Say you were so sick...[/quote]

I dont understand ... What do you mean?[/quote]

I meant that, if she cooks for nama-hatta and you feel you can not take it or do not know what to say, just say you feel sick... I kind of understand your feelings, on the other hand if you accept prasadam in a service mood, maybe you will be protected. I just can not take prasadam grains when cooked by some of our Indian congregation during the house programmes, that what I say and I do not lie. But what you describe is probably worse, for myself I take it as some sort of pride that makes me feel sick; on the other hand I know a few devotees who can eat anything and I try to be friendly with them.

Jaya however I myself would not go as far as suggesting Gurukripa prabhu is enemy like that. That is just my opinion though.

Ysvt.

Feb 18, SANTA CRUZ, CALIFORNIA (SUN) '97 Well, after surviving stage IV cancer, I don'92t often have the '93stomach'94 to get involved in these discussions. However, with Suresha'92s recent complaint, I need to weigh in.

Please, stop. Everyone. Stop it. I beg all of you. Stop. Gurukrpa'92s family has continued to feel supportive and offers best wishes. Whatever pain he suffered before he became a devotee was more than most of ten people could experience, and for this, we have accepted his shortcomings.

If you look at those recent films on DVD (the production of Yadubara prabhu), you can see the very young, thin, fresh out of Vietnam Gurukrpa prabhu with Srila Prabhupada in India. There you will see the true heart of relief to find a true father, a true master and friend, that he found in Srila Prabhupada. This is the best portrayal, previous to all stories and depictions, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

For Suresh prabhu, I am very surprised'85 you are our neighbor. If you think Gurukrpa had a drug problem, without knowing him, was the daughter the only one you could have cited? Aren'92t there some senior men whom you could have cited as a source for that gossip? Why do you feel the need to bring the family into your complaint? PLEASE leave all of his three children and family members OUT of all of these diatribes. We all came as volunteers.

The bottom line is we all came to Srila Prabhupada unqualified, unfit, no adhikara, no true piety. We only brought our prarabhda karma to the table. Please, let us be more solution-oriented. This is NOT to excuse for others, what others have experienced, just leave us alone. We will always view Gurukrpa prabhu with utmost respect and affection as Srila Prabhupada'92s man. That'92s all.

Where do we think we all came from? We are all suffering souls waiting to find our way back home. How much time do we think we have? We cannot even answer this question.

With sincerity,

Those who care for Gurukrpa prabhu

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-09/editorials4054.htm

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Bhaktivinoda Thakura prays for the mercy of even enemies of Lord Caitanya:

ataeva nabadvipa-basi jata jana
sri-caitanya-lila-pusti kore anuksana
Therefore it is a fact that all the residents of Navadvipa whether friendly or enimical, are eternally nourishing the development of Lord Caitanyas pastime.

ekhon je brahmakule caitnyer ari
take jani caitanyer lila-pustikari
I know that these enemies of Lord Caitanya, coming from brahmana background, are actually assistants for giving nourishment to Lord Caitanyas pastime.

sri-caitanya-anucara satru-mitra jata
sakaler sri-carane hoilama nata
I have thus prostrated myself at the lotus feet of all of the enemies as well as friends who are accompanying Lord Caitanya during His lila.

tomara koroho krpa e daser prati
caitanya sudrdha koro binoder mati
All of you eternal associates, kindly show your mercy to this servant and please make his devotion to Lord Caitanya become completely fixed up.

Sorry for keeping this answer till the last moment.

[quote][cite] ccd:[/cite]Bhaktivinoda Thakura prays for the mercy of even enemies of Lord Caitanya:
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Does mercy come without purification; and if there is purification, shouldnt ones degraded activities stop? (Note: Im not referring to Gurukrpa since I dont really know him.)

To say that people like Kirtanananda, Bhavananda, Hansadutta, or Gurukripa, were the best of what Srila Prabhupada had to work with is actually an offense to all the hard working, sincere, smart, and dedicated Prabhupadas disciples who were never picked to be the top leaders. It is a complete lie that these people were the best we had at the time. The question on hand must be answered without resorting to this bogus argument.

In every case we are dealing with a unique set of reasons why SP supported a particular person. He had his reasons and while it is easy for us to second guess him from the perspective of time, it is not really fair. His disciples routinely lied to him, misrepresenting their own activities and the state of his movement. It is quite clear from many of the recorded conversations. Another thing is that SP did not think along the lines of Western political correctnes or the Western legal system. He was prepared to take big risks for Lord Caitanyas movement... and he did. Using people like the ones named above was certainly risky.

Having just read these sad innuendos, slurs and unfortunate mis- informations....i am shocked.Which is saying a lot because i am no saint.Even the sordid nature of the topic which does in my opinion show a complete disregard for srila Prabhupada and his disciples.What godgiven right do all of us to verbally attack these persons if in fact we are meant to be swans rather than crows..Firstly Kirtananda swami was bashed with metal object which caused him to go literally insane according to a trust worthy freind of mine.As a consequence he performed many unfortunate activities which are best left alone.Since it is not favourable for my devotional service.
However he was also at one stage was extremely empowered.....he pleased srila Prabhupada and will no doubt be the object of srila PRABHUPADAS compassion and mercy at a later date.Bhavannada was my diksa guru and was for 15 to twenty years ....and personally he really flew.....but that is my humble opinion.He took thousands of disciples like kirtananda swami did also. And as a result both enjoyed and suffered......However both these individuals were expert at pleasing srila Prabhupada.
Bhavananda das fall down in a very sad soul destroying manner which he will have to live with eternally .As a past disciple i will always carry with me also..Gurukripa will always be an extremely entertaining individual with very strong personal veiws and determined mode of action.Which is indeed very obvious when you meet him.Hansadutta das was chosen to run the german temples for a time which means srila PRABHUPADAhad faith in him then.And by all reports was indeed very successful for quite a few years...

Are they criminals ?Why are they criminals because they never accepted the mundane society and its natural demonic values....I though we were all within the prison house.Durga dham.The fortress whose sole duty it is to keep us here for -eveer and an eternity.I was present during alot of these special times....yes iskcon was in a state of incredible growth,we were inexperienced ,and yes we followed.....were they naieve to follow as best as they could possibly? Some woulkd say they...
\As mishra prabhu is inclined to say possibly fanatics many of us,and from a ordinary veiw ....he would have been correct to a degree.After all why materially would i have sacrificed the best years of my life to build Hare Krishna temples?To go door to door selling oil paintings in canberra especially at night .When it was 14 degrees below Zero which i did foolishly for several months,just to keep the temple open.To wear saffron robes for 12 years chanting and dancing down the main streets of the demoniac materialist world...for what?Why because we were indeed convinced,as these devotees were.

Yes they made awful mistakes individually,but gurukripa goswami gave literally millions to iskcon, with his wonderful team and they received srila Prabhupadas mercy.....Personally he was extremely happy with him.No ecstatic with him....he became an integral member of srila PRABHUPADAS intimate team....as a result he was asked his opinion concerning how to make the society grow,he was personally involved and directly conversed and shared srila Prabhupadas asociation regularly.....Have we done this! I was witness to millions of dollars raised by the disciples of Bhavananda das....we built many temples,distibuted millions of books as a result of his personal service to us.His inspiration,his particular vision was far superior than anything that is present today.Yes he had a homosexual falldown,but he took my karma......so am i eternally greatful .Srila Prabhupada personally loved his service attitude he said he was the perfect manager.He said take mayapura ,develop it and enjoy it.

And through his guidance and friendship as an older godbrother of ambarish das....Ford wealth will single handedly pay for Sri Dham mayapuras planetarium.....Possible even the general city compound.Can we do this....?I think not.... I could go on but the inauspicious nature of devotees these days is that they are many times just crows......sadly just crows....i have forgiven...it is my plea..... let us be swans...paramahamsas please .Why are devotees intent on the rubbish tip?

api cet su-duracaro bhajate mam ananyabhak,sadhur eva sa mantavyah samyag vyavasito hi sah,,,,Even if one commits the most abominable action,if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.....this is bhavanada das ....in mayapura dham...hare krishna.

[quote][cite] sri_govinda_das:[/cite]Firstly Kirtananda swami was bashed with metal object which caused him to go literally insane according to a trust worthy freind of mine.As a consequence he performed many unfortunate activities which are best left alone.[/quote]

That is yet another lie. Triyogi tried to kill Kirtanananda precisely because his nefarious activities came to light and became common knowledge. Triyogi was devastated by all the nonsense his good as God guru was engaged in.

[quote][cite] Kula-pavana:[/cite] nefarious activities came to light and became common knowledge. Triyogi was devastated by all the nonsense his good as God guru was engaged in.[/quote] Actually it was not a public knowledge at the time. Even when NV was removed from ISKCON, it was not one of the reasons, reasons were quite different and there is a recorded conversation between TKG and KS on the reasons why Kirtananandas NV was expelled. Just as when Jayatirha left ISKCON, the difficulty was the fact that he defected to Gaudiya Math, not that he had some difficulties, all of that comes later. When Allanath Sw left ISKCON, it was a very similar story too.

The conception that there are things auspicious and inauspicious in the material world is more or less a mental concoction because there is nothing auspicious in the material world. Everything is inauspicious because the very material mask is inauspicious. We simply imagine it to be auspicious. Real auspiciousness depends on activities in Krsna consciousness in full devotion and service.

Gita 10.3

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Yes no doubt however for all practical purposes ,some devotees acheived far more personal time in the company of srila Prabhupada just because they were indeed empowered......Gurukripa swami...millions of dollars to sri dharma mayapura,Ambaris das....building sri dharma mayapura....temple of understanding ...Planetarium...aproximately$ 50,000,000 US DOLLARS...why because they were more surrender....also krishna sanctioned such devotional service.....

They were blessed by the service,so is the iskcon society especially since very few devotees are even interested in doing any substantial service now!The times were different then we all were inclined to sacrifice everything then.....now very few devotees seem intent on a life long sacrifice for Iskcons benefit.....Krishnas crimminals.......Prabhupadas crimminals.....haribol.

> we all were inclined to sacrifice everything then

This is the wonderful sakti of a mahabhagavata. Someone compared SPs tirobhava and subsequent falldowns and problems of his disciples to Krsnas return to Goloka and Arjunas loss of power.

Yes veda prabhu,,,,,yes! one day bless me also that i can also be a such a peice-part player in srila Prabhupadas traveling sankirtan team.Very appropriate analogy,arjuna was unable to defeat some robbers ,after battle of kuruksetra....though he was extremely empowered when it was his sanctioned service to destroy the soldiers of the Kaurava army and Bhisma deva.....So these krishna criminals.... devotees are also blessed because the material world holds no more attraction for them anymore,,,,,,,only guru and krishna is left.haribol PLease allow me also to have the real blessings of srila Prabhupada.....like they have.hare krishna ...veda prabhu.

A person can be ignorant, doubtful, confused and/or mistaken; but asking a question born of such deficiency, while at the same time openly suggesting, as an apparently forgone conclusion, that a much superior person, such as His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, is "wrong", shows a grave lack of knowledge, intelligence and respect. Decency finds it intolerable.

tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah BG 4:34

It was clear in the mid to late 70s Srila Prabhupada was not always given the full facts in every circumstance, there was an issue where a 14 year old boy was raped by a leading Sanyasi disciple of SP. When it was presented to SP, SP demanded that he be stripped of his Sanyas. Many of this Sanyasis god brothers protested SP and said it would embarrass him etc etc. So Srila Prabhupada agreed under the condition that this Sanyasi perform some atonement, so he ordered the Sanyasi to follow Chatur Mas (fasting from various foodstuffs during a holy period and living quite austerely).

Years later it was revealed at the time of the incident SP was told it was a case of adult male to male consensual sex, he was never told the truth that it was the rape of an under aged male.

Later on when this Sanyasi became a Guru in Iskcon it was presented to his new disciples how glorious he was because he was the only SP disciple that had followed the Chatur Mas fasting.

I think SP was not always given the full facts especially as his health started to decline.