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It depends on circumstances. If one has a healthy body, he doesnt need to use any medicaments, urine or anything else. Using preventively anything what is considered to be cure is not necessary, including using urine. But if one is ill, then using urine for treatment is alright. It is much better than any western synthetic drugs. Urinotherapy is one of the oldest treatment methods, but modern pharmaceutical maffia needs to sell its tablets and increasing its financial profits, so urinotherapy is no longer promoted by doctors...

..sounds like we are starting to run out of questions.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/urine.html

and see shivambhu shastra attached

Wow! Amazing story. Thanks Mishra Prabhu for sharing it with us. Are there any guidelines for how much should one drink? Also, has anyone heard of any side effects of the auto-urine therapy? I know that cowurine is supposed to be medicinal as well as auspicious -- not tamasik or rajasik at all. But then, is it true that your own urine works better for you than cow urine?

this healing method is supposed to be in tamo guna. Having said that, I heard cow urine is very heavy with female hormones. Seems like human is preferable for a cure.
For direction, just google and you will come with lots of info and guidelines.

Who is to decide "if it is OK" or not. Many devotees do it including one sannyasi that I know and whoever does it because it maintains their health. Noone will drink their own urine unless they are getting something out of it! The most famous was an Indian prime minister who lived to be 99 and was very active in his old age.

There is one quote where Prabhupada found it somewhat disgusting, thats about all. If devotees are ready for chemotherapy then why not this Vedic practice? Or is chemotherapy less "tamo guna"? I guess organ transplanting is not "tamo guna" either?

Is this true?

About Urine

We all commence life in the womb where we float in Amniotic Fluid. This fluid fills our lungs, and bathes the skin. It is the urine that we make while in the womb. Urine is a sterile, antiseptic fluid excreted by the kidneys. It is the excess nutrients, metabolites and water from the blood plasma. It is non toxic when placed in the digestive system, which acts as a storage organ for the powerful bio-chemicals it contains.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/9012/amaroli.htm#Urine

What I am interested in is finding out if anyone knows for certain that the scriptures document auto-urine therapy to be in tamo guna.

Mishra Prabhu: I know that a lot of doctors in India use cow-urine frequently to treat patients with severe illnesses -- and cow-urine has also been found very effective in maintaining good health. In fact, "Panchagavya" that Surabhi offered to Lord Krishna (Krishna book has the story) contains cow-urine as well as 4 other items all obtained from a cow. So, it certainly is auspicious. I dont know about it being loaded with female harmones -- if its curing illnesses, those harmones must be working too :-)

Sorry to keep posting, but this article is quite good:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/urine.html

It says that toxins are removed from blood from the liver, but elements which are in excess are removed by the kidneys. So urine is not a waste product of toxins but a composition of elements which are in excess that the body will not use and could be harmful in excessive quantities (like water).

Maybe urine therapy works because the vitamins/minerals have already been processed by the body and are being reintroduced in a way that is easier to assimilate. Of course the question is why the body would reject them and then re-assimilate them? Probably the body is not in a fully healthy state...

I read books on this in India and among the many cancer healing stories they say it was a common practice among criminals who had to take beatings to heal the body faster.

the body needs a correct balance at all times, so even the "good" substances that are excess are excreted by kidneys.
then same already processed substances become a source of nutrients invaluable for a diseased body that can use its energies to fighting its problems instead of digestion and processing of the raw food, which is btw the process that needs more energy from the body.
My affirmation that shivambhu is in the mode of ignorance, I have only heard and makes sense to me, but I will try to find a quote for it.
And that is not to put down or minimize a healing method, chillies are in passion and they can be used as a medicine :)

[quote][cite] amalagaura:[/cite]There is one quote where Prabhupada found it somewhat disgusting, thats about all.[/quote]

I would imagine that a quote from Srila Prabhupada is enough to inform us of the nature of such a practise...do you have the exact quote?

a little off topic, a book about cow urine:
http://www.hkrl.com/cowurine.html

i would be interested in the Srila Prabhupada quote, not finding anything so far...

December 19, 1975, Bombay

. . .
Dr. Patel: They eat even stool. Just like hogs.
Prabhupuc0u257 da: That also a human being does. You know in concentration camp in second war they had to eat their stool.
Dr. Patel: But the British army had a regulation that they could drink urine but not stool. They cannot eat.
Prabhupu257 da: You may make regulation, but necessity has no regulation.
Dr. Patel: I.... because I happen to be.... I, I was holding the honorary position of a colonel in the army...
Prabhupu257 da: Just see, "I am making law: you can drink urine." Just see what is the position. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: In difficulty if there is no water, you can drink your own urine, but you cannot eat your stool. It is very difficult.
Prabhupu257 da: If I drink urine, still I will have to be punished. By the law. Im drinking urine, and because I have violated law, I will have to be punished. This is God.
Dr. Patel: There is, sir, one matter in Ayurvedas, svayu257 mbu cikitsu257 , wherein people are drinking their own urine, because urine is not only water and waste products but there are certain broken, I mean what you call important articles, of body maintainence.
Prabhupu257 da: So those.... You are advising your patients to go and drink...?
Dr. Patel: No, I dont say. But that is not so bad, because it contains those hormones.... (Prabhupu257 da breaks in laughing) It does contain the hormones, I mean it has been analyzed like that, scientifically. It is not to be joked about.
Prabhupu257 da: No. It is analyzed. And stool is full of hydrophosphites. Yes, that is another.... Stool is full of hydrophosphites.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi to another man) They are bringing.... There is a matter in cikitsu257 in Ayurveda. Svayu257 mbu. What is that called? So, Mr.... our er, Mr. Desai. Morarji...
Prabhupu257 da: He is drinking?
Dr. Patel: ...who lost his premiership of India, he is drinking his own urine.
Man: (indistinct) also.
Dr. Patel: Yes. He is drinking.
Prabhupu257 da: u256 cchu257 . Why?
Dr. Patel: And look at him. Hes so, I mean, so absolutely healthy. I mean it is, we should not laugh about it, but there is something right in it.
Prabhupu257 da: No, no. I dont laugh; I am surprised! (devotees laugh)
Dr. Patel: No, we are surprised. I also, I also was surprised first, but then it is not so.
Prabhupu257 da: Hare Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a. Hare Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a! Thank you very much (to passerby) Who is your devotee daughter?

(anyone want to know how I got the Diacritics in from Vedabase? http://wiki.gaudiyakutir.com/diCrunch.php)

Since Prabhupada laughed but was surprised that the ex-prime minister was doing it. Doesnt appear he was very familiar with it.

anyone tried here?

how does it taste?

can you add sugar?

:)

I was yesterday , but our Adim. deleted it.

Ive never done it personally but my ayurvedic physician tells me that it works. he says its tamo-guna so it should only be used by Vaisnavas if there is no other means available.

Also he tells me that you should never drink the first or last part of the stream - only the mid-stream. The first part of the urination and last contain wastes and toxins that the body is trying to get rid of.

Anyone wanna try and get back to us here to tell us how it went?

According to a devotee I know, it has a yeast taste like beer...Midstream beer?

It is all more the cultural barrier. We have been told that the pee is waste, the worst type of waste. I agree 100% with ekendras explanation. It should be done by Vaishnavas only in extreme cases. When one is seriously ill, you stop thinking of that as a joke, but as an alternative that works for many.

I know someone who does this and he say you have to drink tons of water. Then the urine is basically odor and taste free. Also as ekendra prabhu says you do the midstream thing.

This is not for me. It would have to be a last resort and the only thing I could do for survival. But then that is up to Lord Krishna anyway and not us.

I talked to two practitioners of Suddha Ayurveda -- the most original form of Ayurveda that is heavily rooted in spirituality (as opposed to the modern versions of Ayurveda that originated during/after Indias independence and that do not care much about spirituality, but rather focus on herbalism and other treatment modalities) -- and they responded saying that it is not tamasik! Yogis in India have been practicing Amaroli or auto-urine therapy for years and it seems that it does not just cure you of diseases, but provides support for your Sadhana, detachment from sense gratification, and purifies your consciousness by making it more Sattvik!! Both the ayurvedic practitioners thought that it is just the cultural differences that motivate one to label it as being tamasik as we in the west have long been told that urine is nothing but a toxic waste product of your body.

Just like Prabhupada *laughed* at Amaroli (well, from the conversation, it is obvious that he was more surprised than he laughed it out), he also did not support Hath-yoga or any other similar branch of yoga to attain the ultimate goal of life. But then he did not indicate not to use Yogic exercises if it helps you keep fit and do more service to Krishna. I guess the same logic applies to auto-urine therapy also. Unless Prabhupada specifically labelled it tamasik, I dont see any reason to believe so.

Thanks to mballav for that comment. It definitely seems like a ISKCON extremism to take Prabhupadas laugh and call a practice tamasik. In shastras we do not find any great glorification of urine though and it is usually grouped with stool. Maybe it more of a yogic practice.

In USA the leading cause for bankruptcy is medical. This practice actually cures most of peoples diseases. There are countless testimonies to it.

[quote][cite] amalagaura:[/cite]Who is to decide "if it is OK" or not. Many devotees do it including one sannyasi that I know and whoever does it because it maintains their health. Noone will drink their own urine unless they are getting something out of it! The most famous was an Indian prime minister who lived to be 99 and was very active in his old age.

There is one quote where Prabhupada found it somewhat disgusting, thats about all. If devotees are ready for chemotherapy then why not this Vedic practice? Or is chemotherapy less "tamo guna"? I guess organ transplanting is not "tamo guna" either?[/quote]

If Prabhupada found it disgusting,no devotee should drink his own urine!
I would rather go for cows urine-protected cow-otherwise,you may drink all sorts of chemicals that they ingest.
The body heals itself if given a chance.I dont believe in modern drugs,because of side effects,sometimes worse than the disease:some cancer pills make all your hair fall,while making the drugs barons very wealthy.
I prefer to watch my diet,with plenty raw,fasting,exercise and yoga,little or no sugar/fat, avoid stress jobs,unhealthy atmosphere of cities,offenses to others....and this should make life easier and healthier!

I heard about this practice from a devotee back in the 1980s and I was told that Srila Prabhupada had condoned it, using Prime Minister Morarji Desi as an example. So, thinking Srila Prabhupada allowed it, I have tried it several times. Interestingly, every time the problem with my health seems to improve the first few days but then I get sicker, lots sicker, and am forced to stop it. Regular medicines even fail me for some significant time afterwards. I am finally forced to admit that this practice is not meant for followers of Srila Prabhupada. Thanks to amalagaura for posting what is the only bona fide statement by Srila Prabhupada I have ever read.

Prabhupuc0u257 da: "If I drink urine, still I will have to be punished. By the law. Im drinking urine, and because I have violated law, I will have to be punished. This is God."

Srila Prabhupada, "The sun is absorbing urine. Can you drink urine? If you want to imitate the sun'97'93Oh, here is the sun absorbing urine. Let me drink urine'94'97can you?

Prabhupada: Yes, everyone. He was given horse urine to drink, Napoleon. Such a great hero, but he had to drink horse urine. This Englishman after Battle of, what is that? Waterloo. When he was arrested, when he was asking water, he was given horse urine. Because everyone was very, very angry. Napoleon became just like Hiranyakasipu. They were threatening their children: "Oh, he, Bona, is coming. Sleep. Sleep. Sleep." He became so much.... He was known as Bona. You do not know all these things?
Tamala Krsna: No.
Prabhupada: Yes. Whole Europe became threatened, Napoleon. And there must be some reaction. And when he was under custody he was treated like an.... So where is independence? He had to drink horse urine as reaction of his atrocities."

Another quote: Dhrstadyumna Maharaja interjected that the scientists have fashioned a way for the spacemen to drink their own urine and eat their own stool.

"Yes, that is the most scientific improvement," Srila Prabhupada announced cuttingly. "Yes. That they can do. By scientific improvement, they can drink their own urine -- very tasty!"

Quote from the Srimad Bhagavatam: Deriving its nutrition from the food and drink taken by the mother, the fetus grows and remains in that abominable residence of stools and urine.

The statement "Prabhupu257 da: No, no. I dont laugh; I am surprised! " does not invalidate his original statement: Prabhupu257 da: "If I drink urine, still I will have to be punished. By the law. Im drinking urine, and because I have violated law, I will have to be punished. This is God."

I have heard that this practice is a kind of black magic.

On the Adarya Fellowship website i found this:

"Having heard of this human urine therapy, I consulted with Dr. Liladhara Gupta, a vaidya from Vrndavana, whose father treated our Srila Prabhupada, and he told me that human urine therapy is not authorized in ayurveda, and is a tamsic activity.It has been introduced by Tantrics. From my studies, I know that mushrooms are recommended for many medicinal uses in Chinese medicine, but according to ayurveda, they derange the mind, and do not have any use. So although you may be improving something on one level, you may be doing a disservice to yourself on another.

As far as cow urine goes, while I was recently ill in Mayapura , and purchased Go-Ark from the Goshalla there, I was told that distilled cow urine was superior, because there may be some entities in the fresh urine. I am not sure whether this can be substantiated. COw urine has a long list of uses, including jaundice. Srila Prabhupada comments that because the urine of a cow is pure, as stated in the Vedas, we should not speculate and think that because a human is more evolved than a cow, that his urine or stool is also pure or good to use."

Prabhupu257 da: "If I drink urine, still I will have to be punished. By the law. Im drinking urine, and because I have violated law, I will have to be punished. This is God."

Even if it apparently helps some, seems like the reaction will come later.

[quote][cite] rasa108:[/cite]I know of a few devotees that still do this...my understanding is that this practise is in the mode of ignorance...any thoughts?[/quote]

Are they Aghoris?

Krishna has made the body so that the waste is contained in the urine. If you needed it you wouldnt be urinating it out.