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the purana?
i have also heard of these as adi-dev and adi-devi. and could be really interesting it to read it.

thank you - Hari Bol !

In the eastern side of Pradan city where there is a a big God-given forest, which is 16 square miles in size. The man named Adam was staying there under a Papa-Vrksa or a sinful tree and was eager to see his wife Havyavati. The Kali quickly came there assuming a form a serpent. He cheated them and disobeyed Lord Visnu. The husband ate the fruit...

Bhavisya Purana

http://bhavishya-purana.puranas.org/

thank you very much, where is these Bhavisya Purana found. (?)

anyone has it as an ebook?

There are inauthentic parts like this one in extant editions of Bhavisya P.: http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/encyclopedia/sastras-studies1.htm#6

related:
http://www.pariprashnena.com/discussion/133/

Im sure some puranas were edited, there are different editions of Bhagavata as well. even jivas sandarbhas have different spelling and editions. Does anyone have a different or original variant of Bhavishya purana say pre mogul rule? with all respect to Vedas gurumaharaj, some do quote Bhavishya purana.. as its one of the main puranas, I agree that language will give it away, there are no other references to Adam that I know.

Garuda purana reference to Bhagavatam is deleted from modern edition, but is still in Madhvas writing 800 years old. I do not take that just because something is not written more then 1000 years back its not a vedic knowledge, that will make me a fundamentalist.

Only parts, not the whole Purana, is inauthentic.
Afaik, there is no such old edition available.
If you mean the verse quoted in CC 2.25.143-4, then yes. At least its not in Venkatesvara edition.

Even the Christian bible does not have the total story of Adam and Eve. According to books that were banned by Constatine, Eve was not the first worman. Another woman (whose name I forget) was created at the same time as Adam from the same soil. She was a very independent woman who decided that this union between her and Adam was not working out. So she left him. According the text, she became a demonic witch.

So, Adam was without a woman and Eve was created from one of his ribs which made her dependent on him.

so VEDA, is all this wrong then?
http://www.suhotraprabhu.com/in2-mec/index.php?p=J040130
because it is accepting it as true.

This writeup as well as those of others like Satyaraja P.s are based on SPs statement that
Bhavisya is a bonafide Purana. But he was not aware of those insertions since this is not
well known.

Basically, those promoting ideas like Jesus in India were monistic enemies of devotional
Christianity like Gnostics, Muslims, Theosophists, etc. Later it became even a political
tool of British influence in India (N. Notovitch was a Russian spy involved in perpetrating
this; look him up on Wikipedia for details). Its quite a complex issue.

from my related exchange with one devotee:

Ive seen a link to your site with the Gospel of the Holy Twelve.
The point is that this and many similar writings are not authentic and
original but modern frauds. It is difficult to recognize them but if
we check the source the reality comes up. They are a part of
extensive anti-monotheistic agenda starting with Gnostics, continuing
with Theosophists, various pseudochristan, esoteric and occult
groups up to recent exponents of New Age like E. Cayce, L. Rampa or
Dan Brown ("Da Vinci Code" etc.).

I know that many devotees in ISKCON, attracted by ahimsa,
vegetarianism, reincarnation, etc., sometimes quote these sources but
they dont know about the hidden impersonalism issue. This is a vast
topic so here are just two references as an example:

http://www.nccg.org/essene/essene01_GH12.html
http://www.compassionatespirit.com/strange_new_gospels.htm

> Thank for pointing this out to me. Srila Prabhupada
> also sometimes quoted such questionable texts when they
> supported our Krishna consciousness philosophy. It was
> in that spirit that I mentioned it. I do not take it
> as absolute just as Srila Prabhupada did not take the
> Aquarian Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ as absolute.

thank you for your reply. Right, Srila Prabhupada sometimes quoted
such sources for that reason but unfortunately some devotees took it
as a full support of them and the path to negative influences of
nirvisesa/sunyavada of New Age was open. Many problems in current
ISKCON can be traced to this. One could probably write a book about
this.

Another thing is that it minimizes our academic and spiritual
credibility and preaching potential since scholars and knowledgeable
Christians are aware of the fraudulent nature of these works. I had an
exchange with Satyaraja P. about this when we were translating his
Hidden Glory of India. He insisted to have there a info on Jesus in
India, another such discredited issue (although in toned down
wording). This could minimize the stature of that valuable book when
it comes under academic scrutiny.

As I mentioned, I got to know about this book on your site in a
devotee forum where the devotee who posted it replied to my objection
that it is on a site of ISKCON spiritual master and a disciple Srila
Prabhupada, i.e. bonafide, since there is no caveat mentioned. In
this way your, Srila Prabhupadas and ISKCONs credit is used to back
such problematic sources. Considering all of this, my understanding is
that the benefit is vastly lesser than the risk.

thank you soooooooooooooo much!

[quote][cite] VEDA:[/cite]This writeup as well as those of others like Satyaraja P.s are based on SPs statement that
Bhavisya is a bonafide Purana. But he was not aware of those insertions since this is not
well known.

Basically, those promoting ideas like Jesus in India were monistic enemies of devotional
Christianity like Gnostics, Muslims, Theosophists, etc. Later it became even a political
tool of British influence in India (N. Notovitch was a Russian spy involved in perpetrating
this; look him up on Wikipedia for details). Its quite a complex issue.

from my related exchange with one devotee:[/quote]

You probably have to mention that this devotee has also taken vows of a monk in a Catholic tradtion.

really? what kind of vows...
hhmmmm lets gossip!

No, this devotee is not a Catholic monk otherwise he wouldnt quote Gnostic sources.

I heard this story appears in one purana and it is indeed true. Any quotes or comments on this? Abhirama -

Atmatattva prabhu has told this story - That when Parurama banished the kshatriyas to the far west, among them there was a brahmana. Because brahaman is known for controlling his senses he is called Dama (control of the sensesJ) So then the word Adam derived describing this person. Who was engaged in performing yajnas in the forest. By his performance of yajna he was able to create a women. Because she was created from the fire of the yajna she was called Haieva which later became Eva. Later on the because of his association with the women, the brahaman fell down from his spiritual practices.
There may be some stories on Atmatattavas website www.indiadivine.com He has some untold stories from Ramayan also listed.

[quote][cite] abhiram:[/cite]really? what kind of vows...
hhmmmm lets gossip![/quote]

No, lets not gossip. Thank you

Sutaji said: The Mleccha kingdoms will gain strenght 8200 years before the end of Dvapara yuga (i.e. from 11200 B.C.).

indriyaani damitvaa yo hyaatmadyaanaparaayanah
tasmaadaadamanaamaaso patni havyavati srutaa (29)
pradaangarsyaiva purvabhaage mahaavanam
ishvarena krtam ramya catukroshaayatam smrtam(30)

Aadam (Adam) was self controlled and constantly meditating on his soul. His wife was known by the name Havyavati (Eve). They lived in Pradan (Eden) which measures 4 square krosas (vedic measuring unit) and is situated on the east side of great forest which was given by God Himself.

paapavrikchatale gatvaa patnidarchanataparah
kalistatraa gatasturna sarparupatahikrtam (31)

He was sitting under the sin tree while looking at his wife; Kali took the form of a snake and approached him.

vamcitaa tena duurtena vishnavaagyaa bhangataa gataa
khaaditvaa tat phalam ramyam lokamaargam pradam patih (32)
udumbarasya patramshca taabhaam vaatavashanam krtam
sutaah putrastato jaatah sarvemlecchaa vabhuuvire (33)

By defying the order of Vishnu, he ate the Ramaya (sensual pleasure) fruit which leads to the wordly path. And after falling from their original position they both covered themselves with Udumbuh leaves. In due course they begot Sutaav sons who became the progenitors of Mlecchas.

Adam and Eve, in the Bible, the first man and woman, progenitors of the human race. The biblical account of creation of human beings occurs twice: in Genesis 1:26-27 and Genesis 2:18-24.

This is from Bhavishya Purana Pratisarga Parva Chapter 4

[quote][cite] abhiram:[/cite]anyone has it as an ebook?[/quote]I have it but not in full

can you post it as an attachment here?

thank you