Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

Narayana form of the residents of vaikuntha will not be the final form of someone who will develop a higher rasa and be promoted to Goloka. One can have both forms if both rasas of dasya and one of Goloka rasas. In fact one may come down from Vaikuntha to take part in the pastimes of Gokula to qualify for that transformation and follow the footsteps of the residents of Vrindavana..

The logic used by Sanatana Goswami is (roughly) Vaikuntha-Dwaraka-Vraja

ayati jayati vuc0u7771 ndu257 rau7751 yam etan muru257 reu7717
priya-tamam ati-su257 dhu-svu257 nta-vaikuu7751 u7789 ha-vu257 su257 t
ramayati sa sadu257 gu257 u7717 pu257 layan yatra gopu299 u7717
svarita-madhura-veu7751 ur vardhayan prema ru257 se

All glories, all glories to this place where we are living, Lord Muru257 ri'92s Vu7771 ndu257 vana forest! He prefers residing here to residing in Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha or in the hearts of elevated saints. In Vu7771 ndu257 vana, while always tending His cows, He gives pleasure to the gopu299 s, whose love for Him in the mood of the ru257 sa dance He increases by sweetly playing His flute

tatra ye sac-cid-u257 nanda-
dehu257 u7717 parama-vaibhavam
sampru257 ptau7745 sac-cid-u257 nandau7745
hari-su257 ru7779 u7789 iu7745 ca nu257 bhajan

In Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha the residents have sac-cid-u257 nanda bodies and may avail themselves of the supreme opulence of Lord Hari. They have sac-cid-u257 nanda powers, equal to His. But the residents of Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha do not like to accept such equality with the Lord.

dehendriyu257 su-hu299 nu257 nu257 u7745 / vaikuu7751 u7789 ha-pura-vu257 sinu257 m: '93The bodies of the inhabitants of Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha are completely spiritual, having nothing to do with the material body, senses, or life air.'94 (Bhu257 gavatam 7.1.35)

muktu257 n upahasantu299 va
vaikuu7751 u7789 he satatau7745 prabhum
bhajantau7717 paku7779 i-vu7771 ku7779 u257 di-
ru363 pair vividha-sevayu257

Always worshiping the Lord in Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha, they seem amused by those who are merely liberated. The Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha-vu257 su299 s are always busy in various services, for which they even take on forms like those of birds and trees.

That many kinds of animals and plants live in Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha is confirmed by the description of SB (3.15.18'9619)

ku7771 u7779 u7751 a-bhakti-sudhu257 -pu257 nu257 d
deha-daihika-vismu7771 teu7717
teu7779 u257 u7745 bhautika-dehe '92pi
sac-cid-u257 nanda-ru363 patu257

Having drunk the nectar of devotion to Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a, those devotees forget their material bodies and relationships. Thus even while living in material bodies, they assume the transcendental nature of eternity, knowledge, and bliss.

parau7745 bhagavatu257 su257 kau7745
su257 ku7779 u257 t kru299 u7693 u257 -paramparu257 u7717
sadu257 nubhavituu7745 tair hi
vaikuu7751 u7789 ho '92peku7779 yate kvacit

But in Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha devotees always relish ongoing pleasure pastimes in the very company of the Lord. Therefore devotees sometimes prefer to live there.

yeu7779 u257 u7745 daru347 ana-sambhu257 u7779 u257 -
sparu347 u257 nugamanu257 sanaiu7717
bhojanodvu257 ha-u347 ayanais
tathu257 nyair daihikair du7771 u7693 haiu7717

duu347 chedaiu7717 prema-sambandhair
u257 tma-sambandhato '92dhikaiu7717
baddhau7717 svargu257 pavargecchu257 u7745
chittvu257 bhaktiu7745 vivardhayan

ku7771 u7779 u7751 o vismu7771 ta-vaikuu7751 u7789 ho
vilu257 saiu7717 svair anu-ku7779 au7751 am
navau7745 navam anirvu257 cyau7745
vitanoti sukhau7745 mahat

Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a has now forgotten Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha, for He is bound by intense, unbreakable loving exchanges with these Yadus. He sees the Yadus, touches them, talks with them, sits with them. He eats and sleeps with them, follows them when they walk, takes part in their marriage ceremonies, and shares in their other activities of embodied life. These relations are more tangible than the yogu299 s'92 union with Him in meditation. Thus, by His pastimes Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a spreads among the Yadus infinite pleasure, ever fresh and indescribable, destroying any desire they might have for heaven or liberation, and increasing more and more their devotion to Him.

"All of the miseries we experience in the material world arise from the body, but one who leaves this body thinking of Lord Kruc0u803 su803 nu803 a, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, at once attains a sac-cid-u257 nanda body."
BG Intro. Someone just tried to present to me that the Spiritual body is different from the Spiritual spark, I rejected, but feel free to defeat this too.

A devotee'92s material body may literally transform into a spiritual one, like the body of Dhruva Mahuc0u257 ru257 ja just before his ascent to Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha. As described by Maitreya u7770 u7779 i:

paru299 tyu257 bhyarcya dhiu7779 u7751 yu257 gryau7745
pu257 ru7779 adu257 v abhivandya ca
iyeu7779 a tad adhiu7779 u7789 hu257 tuu7745
bibhrad ru363 pau7745 hirau7751 mayam

'93Before getting aboard the Vaikuu7751 u7789 ha airplane, Dhruva Mahu257 ru257 ja worshiped and circumambulated it, and also offered obeisances to the associates of Viu7779 u7751 u. In the meantime he became as brilliant and illuminating as molten gold. He was thus completely prepared to board the transcendental plane.'94 (S Bhag 4.12.29)
Commenting on this verse, u346 ru299 la u346 ru299 dhara Svu257 mu299 explains hirau7751 mayam as meaning '93full of effulgence.'94 In other words, Dhruva Mahu257 ru257 ja obtained a new body made of pure spiritual energy.

So based one what youve written, then the spiritual body is a body made out of a spiritual nature, but is different from the spiritual spark (Spirit Soul)?

Not exactly different more like developed or purified. It is however connected to the fact that even if you are completely in ignorance you can get a special arrangement to get the touch of lotus feet of Krsna, but if without such special mercy, even if in the highest position of the spiritual world (with fully developed spiritual body of Sri) you may not get this opportunity. So be opportunistic.

(SB 10.16.36-7)

"O Lord, we do not know how the serpent Kuc0u257 liya attained such an opportunity to be touched by the dust of Your lotus feet. Even the goddess of fortune, for this end, performed austerities for centuries, giving up all other desires and observing austere vows. Indeed, we do not know how the serpent Ku257 liya got such an opportunity.

Those who have attained the dust of Your lotus feet never hanker for the kingship of heaven, limitless sovereignty, the position of Brahmu257 or rulership over the earth. They are not interested even in the perfections of yoga or in liberation itself.
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This is the basis of devotees NOT desiring liberation, not at all, why would you want it if you do not get association with Krishna? Generally devotees of Krishna are not liberated members of Vaikuntha, even if some of the residents of Vaikuntha did take part in rasa lila as Srutis for example CC Madhya 8.225

That leads you to read puport in CC Madhya 8.229 for some further guidance.

The Laksmi dilemma of SB 10.16.36 is answered in CC Madhya 8.231

You should understand that spiritual form is very much related with emotion (rasa) rather then with some preconceived shape as you can see with the example of Shrutis, who have forms in Vaikuntha but entered as gopis in the rasa dance (unlike Sri herself)

Taittiriya Upanisad 2.7 explains:
raso vai sah
rasam hy evayam labdhanandi bhavati
ko hy evanyat kah pranyat
yad esa akasa anando na syat
esa hy esanandayati
The supreme truth is rasa. The jiva becomes blissful on attaining this rasa. Who would work with the body and prana if this blissful form did not exist? He gives bliss to all.