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...a stalwart devotee never deviates from executing their initiation vows,no matter what happens,they always remain fixed in devotional service,they may be attracted to the material energy,but never fall down,if they do they get back up immediately.They never watch movies, play video games, listen to materialistic music etc.

mmmm yes they never do those things

Iplay Pacman sometimes, I am 31 years old! Is it devotional service? This is a question for Guru rofl.

stalwart |uc0u712 st'f4lwu601 rt|
adjective
loyal, reliable, and hardworking : he remained a stalwart supporter of the cause.
'95 dated strongly built and sturdy : he was of stalwart build.
noun
a loyal, reliable, and hardworking supporter or participant in an organization or team : the stalwarts of the Ladies Auxiliary.
DERIVATIVES
stalwartly |u712 stu596 lwu601 rtli| adverb
stalwartness |u712 stu596 lwu601 rtnu601 s| noun
ORIGIN late Middle English : Scots variant of obsolete stalworth, from Old English stu483 l '91place'92 + weorth [worth.]

As usual there are two completely different scales of measurement.
One is religious - according to adhikari varna and asrama, and the formalities of diksa.
One is spiritual - according to personal qualities.
The truth of the matter is that these two measurements correlate very loosely.
The religiously stalwart would definitely want to avoid any appearance of being associated with the less advanced.
The spiritually stalwart are more concerned with matters of truth and saintly principles than appearance (like posting on this site).
[quote][cite]Bhagavad-Gita, chapter 5, verse 18[/cite]
The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned & gentle saint, a cow, an elephant, a dog & a dog eater.
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He always remembers Krishna, and never forgets Him.

I recall reading, I think it was in Sruta Kirti Prabhus _What is the Difficulty?_, that once Srila Prabhupada watched a Charlie Chaplin movie while on a plane. When asked about it, Srila Prabhupada remarked that Chaplin was very funny, and it reminded him of Krishnas wonderful sense of humor.

If your Playing Pacman thinking what a cool game Krishna created, then its cool.

Yes, he always remembers Krsna, never forgets him.

Like certain guru, while playing football, every time he would score a goal, he would say Haribooool instead of Goooooal...! Thats real stalwart devotee, doing everything for Krsna, always remembering Krsna!

[quote][cite] cbrahma:[/cite]As usual there are two completely different scales of measurement.
One is religious - according to adhikari varna and asrama, and the formalities of diksa.
One is spiritual - according to personal qualities.
The truth of the matter is that these two measurements correlate very loosely.
The religiously stalwart would definitely want to avoid any appearance of being associated with the less advanced.
The spiritually stalwart are more concerned with matters of truth and saintly principles than appearance (like posting on this site).
[/quote]
Absolutely agree with you there....anyone can make a show of devotion (and at the same time engage in mundane activites). I can relate a personal story myself. When I was playing drums in the Hare Krsna band, I was instructed by a Sannyasi to listen to mundane music so I could enhance my service (and when I played guitar the same instruction was given). Ive got to say that even though it enhanced my service somewhat, I started to become attracted to it and had to stop to preserve my own spiritual life. I guess its a matter of how spiritually advanced we are (which I am not) and if we are able to consciously expose ourselves to this without becoming attracted to it. I guess its a matter of being realistic and honest with yourself....will I become contaminated subtely by this activity (like Pacman addicts) or am I able to engage this and remain detached from gross or subtle sense gratification.

By my reading of the dictionary definition given by Misra prabhu a "stalwart devotee" is one who remains steadfast in their contribution across time.

"The material sins are products of our desires to lord it over material nature. It is very difficult to get rid of such desires. Women and wealth are very difficult problems for the devotee making progress on the path back to Godhead. Many stalwarts in the devotional line fell victim to these allurements and thus retreated from the path of liberation. But when one is helped by the Lord Himself, the whole process becomes as easy as anything by the divine grace of the Lord."

uc0u346 ru299 mad Bhu257 gavatam 1.2.17 Purport

So even stalwart devotees may fall....lust arising from the mode of passion?

Dictionary definitions aside...Srila Prabhupada mentions stalwart devotees...for example Sukadeva Goswami:

"Consequently Lord Kuc0u7771 u7779 u7751 a gave the King a further chance for development in devotional service by introducing him to u346 ukadeva Gosvu257 mu299 , a stalwart devotee of the Lord with perfect knowledge in self-realization." u346 ru299 mad Bhu257 gavatam 2.4.1 Purport

Any definitions/ideas in relation to SPs books?

In letters, this is the only time, that Srila Prabhupada used word stalwart in relation to his disciples.

So many big stalwart devotees are leaving......

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So far Dayananda, I have no objection if the grhasthas live outside and earn money, but I do not want them to leave. The strict temple procedure is only for those who live in the temple. Grhasthas should live outside, and they cannot follow strictly everything, but why they should give up altogether their devotional procedures? So many big stalwart devotees are leaving, why is this? Advaita, Uddhava, Krsna das, and now our Dayananda and Nandarani. I have sent them each one letter, so if you find them, you may deliver them my letters. This is not at all good if our big devotees fall down so easily and go away. Try to save them.

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Letter to: Karandhara -- London 14 July, 1972

.....we want big stalwart men to preach this Kuc0u7771 u7779 u7751 a consciousness movement.

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So when he preaches all over the world, that is called parivru257 jaku257 cu257 rya. And when hes experienced, he executes the work by his assistants. That is called paramahau7745 sa. So gu7771 hasthas are supposed to be paramahau7745 sa. Just like Bhaktivinoda u7788 hu257 kura, he was gu7771 hastha, magistrate, government servant, but he has worked so much for Lord Caitanya Mahu257 prabhu in writing books. Not only writing books, but also begetting a child like Bhaktisiddhu257 nta Sarasvatu299 Gosvu257 mu299 Mahu257 ru257 ja, my spiritual master. So that is gu7771 hastha. They should produce children like Bhaktisiddhu257 nta Sarasvatu299 Gosvu257 mu299 Mahu257 ru257 ja. Because we want big stalwart men to preach this Ku7771 u7779 u7751 a consciousness movement.

>>>Lectures : Festival Lectures : Sri Vyasa-puja -- London, August 22, 1973 : 730822VP.LON

so I infer that Srila Prabhupada talks about prominent devotees in the sense of well-known and famous in the society at large for their devotion.

To me it seems more, that he uses word stalwart for prominent personalities (and even animals) well-known and famous for their strength and achievements. For someone big, influential, out-standing, high-achieving, impressive....

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Prabhupada: Yes. You never think that you have become very stalwart, you do not need any spiritual masters instruction. Dont think that way. Then you are spoiled. You should always think that you are nothing.
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Some examples of use:

=== mahajanas,

- The most powerful Lord Brahma, the father of all progenitors; Lord Siva; Manu, Daksa and the other rulers of humankind; the four saintly first-class brahmacaris headed by Sanaka and Sanatana; the great sages Marici, Atri, Angira, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Bhrgu and Vasistha; and my humble self [Narada] are all stalwart brahmanas who can speak authoritatively on Vedic literature.
- These personalities are still remembered because they were all great stalwart devotees of the Lord.

=== prominent acaryas and authorities in sampradaya,

- ...introducing him to Sukadeva Gosvami, a stalwart devotee of the Lord with perfect knowledge in self-realization...
- ...and His plan is explained by many stalwart authorities.
- This important verse has been discussed by many stalwart commentators.
- ...stalwart scholars like Sridhara Svami, Rupa Gosvami, Sanatana Gosvami, Viraraghava, Vijayadhvaja, Vallabhacarya and many other recognized acaryas

=== important personal associates of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Krsna, jagannatha etc....,

- ...the Lord was petitioned by His two stalwart devotees, He flatly refused to grant the request, even though it was put forward by personal associates like Ramananda Raya and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya.
- ...Lord Jagannatha has a number of stalwart servants known as dayitas.

=== succesful and learned devotees,

- ...he simply followed the instructions of N'e4rada Muni, his guru, and thus he always remained a stalwart devotee.
- ...students of Caitanya Mah'e4prabhu named Purusottama and Sanjaya, who were stalwart students in grammar.
- Stalwart, highly advanced Vaisnava devotees are not interested in seeing prostitutes, but when a prostitute or any other fallen soul becomes a Vaisnava, stalwart Vaisnavas are interested in seeing them.

=== big scholars and leaders in non-vaisnava spiritual paths,

- ...by such stalwart scholars as Sankaracarya, not to speak of other 'e4c'e4ryas such as Ramanujacarya and Madhvacarya.
- ...The brahmanas were all stalwart followers of the rituals, and they could not understand the meaning of such devotional symptoms.
- ...the great stalwart leaders of religious principles, without knowing this Hare Krsna maha-mantra,

=== spiritualists, who achieved a lot in their practice,

- ...great mystic yogis or great stalwart transcendentalists also come back again when there is creation.
- Means you may be very big stalwart spiritualist or yogis, .....

=== leading demigods,

- ...great stalwart demigods like Brahma and Siva.
- ...protect us from all fear of dangers created by stalwart leaders in all directions through poison, weapons, water, fire, air and so on.
- Unless He is a person, how can He control the great, stalwart controllers of this universe?

=== strong leaders in material sense,

- ...stalwart commanders like Bhisma, Drona, Krpa and Karna, and their military strength was as insurmountable
- ...Maharaja Yudhisthiras worldly possessions, the sacrifices by which he would attain a better destination, his queen, his stalwart brothers, his extensive land, his sovereignty over the planet earth, and his fame, etc.
- ...It is clearly stated here that the stalwart personalities who generate the entire population of the world are interested in satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead by offering sacrifices.

=== heroes and big demons,

- Indeed, not only he but also many other stalwart heroes, whose very skin could not be injured even by all kinds of weapons, were killed by the same thunderbolt.
- ...when the stalwart demon Hiranyakasipu questioned his self-realized son Prahlada Maharaja
- If you have got beauty, you can conquer over very stalwart, very strong men. Just like what is the... Cleopatra.

=== big karmi personalities,

- The most stalwart scientists and philosophers, therefore, cannot be accepted as wonderful.
- And manufactured by greatest, stalwart thinker, or scientist.

=== strong animals,

- ...defeat seven very strong, stalwart bulls maintained by him.
- Some Yadus rode on sturdy, stalwart elephants that moved like the clouds in the sky.

Nice quotes Giri-nayaka....I appreciate your effort with the research

...a stalwart devotee remains fixed in devotional service year after year,most Iskcon devotees have left Iskcon for one reason or another,this is the difference,

SB 3.9.1 Purport excerpt:
The most stalwart scientists and philosophers, therefore, cannot be accepted as wonderful. They only appear wonderful because they are instruments in the hands of the illusory energy of the Lord. Under illusion, the general mass of people deny the existence of the Supreme Lord and accept the foolish products of illusory energy as supreme.

...its just a saying anyways,its what we call a fixed up devotee who has been around for a while.

[quote][cite] Pankajadasa:[/cite]Get the vedabase for free:
http://www.archive.org/download/Bhaktivedanta-Swami-Prabhupada108/Complete_Works_Prabhupada.rar

Use F2 to search.[/quote]

Missing SETUP.LID and other files when installing folio views

Try this instead:
http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?26500000037010

The Folio works for some but not others. I ripped it from a cd. So it probably works if you BUY the CD. :)

[quote][cite] Pankajadasa:[/cite]The Folio works for some but not others. I ripped it from a cd. So it probably works if you BUY the CD. :)[/quote]

Better to buy the CD which is what I am doing....just was curious to see if it worked :-)

its does for me, even after buying a new laptop and downloading from web and installing. Works for some after 2-3 years still cant figure out about the problems, all files are included inc ones you mentioned. Anyway not to go away from thread..topic