Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

...No,his Guru is fallen,this is a past time only,the disciple should continue to serve Prabhupadas mission,and in this way become happy!

Hare krishna ,actually that was my situation and that of my godbrothers and sisters.We took shelter of another siksa guru after our diksa guru ,bhavannanda goswami fell down.I chose Tamala krishna goswami and took shelter of the sastric conclusions and what was the proper devotional etiquettes.

This means that there is two guru to take shelter of in such an extreme test of mayadevis energies .When i was reinforced with a program of extra hearing and chanting of krishna,several of my godbrothers and myself humbly set about trying to supported our spiritually wounded guru. For sometime.. according to the devotional etiquette till he either fall away or became reinlivened we tried till eventually he became steady again.As i had waited somtime as advised,i found it unneccessary personally to accept another guru, i was in essence able to spoon feed myself krishna conciousness.Most however sought shelter else where according to their individual needs.This ritvik initiation was uniquely only for that circumstance where by the eleven guru would accept their own disciples within the personal prescence of his divine grace ac Bhaktivedanta swami, srila prabhupada.It was not as some contend his intention to insult srila Rupa goswamis sastric siddhantas and head off into sahajaism also into the spiritual abyss.

Actually my siksa guru, his divine grace srila Tamala krishna who i asked hundreds of questions to, was extremely thorough about his many personal devotional experiences which he clearly passed onto myself and others involving the initiation process.We always were excepted personally as their disciples,in my case as bhavanandas disciple,never did we understand that we were to be come srila Prabhupadas disciples as mistakenly concocted by some.How bizarre when i researched this bogus ritvik nonsense,that i found my own gurus signature on the letter which they use to substantuate the misguided claims.The transcendendal signature of tamala krishna goswami was all i needed to seeto burst out loud in glee and stunned surprise.

[quote][cite] yuga_avatar_das:[/cite]Actually my siksa guru, his divine grace srila Tamala krishna who i asked hundreds of questions to, was extremely thorough about his many personal devotional experiences which he clearly passed onto myself and others involving the initiation process.We always were excepted personally as their disciples,in my case as bhavanandas disciple,never did we understand that we were to be come srila Prabhupadas disciples as mistakenly concocted by some.How bizarre when i researched this bogus ritvik nonsense,that i found my own gurus signature on the letter which they use to substantuate the misguided claims.The transcendendal signature of tamala krishna goswami was all i needed to seeto burst out loud in glee and stunned surprise.[/quote]

Naturally Srila Prabhupada signed the letter based on his own understanding of what it said and meant, not his secretarys. The bosss signature is the important one. Or perhaps you can show somewhere that Srila Prabhupada designated Tamal Krishna with the authority to interpret the letter for everyone.[br/][br/]

Also, do you know if the 1999 ISKCON law 6.4.8.2, '93Restricted Titles,'94 was ever rescinded or amended?
'93No one in ISKCON will be addressed either publicly or privately with the honorific titles '93His Divine Grace'94 nor be addressed either publicly or privately the honorifics ending in '93-pada'94 or '93-deva'94. Disciples may address their ISKCON diksa or siksa gurus as '93Gurudeva'94 or '93Guru-Maharaja'94.'94
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1999 GBC resolution 407 follows: "It is thherefore resolved THAT all ISKCON diksa and siksa gurus and other authorities are responsible to instruct initiated devotees and aspiring initiates in the above mentioned details of worship and see that they are implemented no later than Srila Prabhupada'92s Vyasa-puja celebration in 1999. After that time, devotees who fail to uphold these practices shall be subject to censure."

[quote][cite] yuga_avatar_das:[/cite]This ritvik initiation was uniquely only for that circumstance where by the eleven guru would accept their own disciples within the personal prescence of his divine grace ac Bhaktivedanta swami, srila prabhupada.[/quote]

Please show us where Srila Prabhupada said that. Otherwise feel free to begin such statements with "I believe..."

I can show many such statements,but will you accept?Reversing your logic where in srila Rupa goswami Prabhupadas nectar of instruction or devotion is the term ritvik Archarya mentioned by him.Why do you want to make srila Prabhupada the first ritvik Archarya?Since you want to twist our devotional heritage to fit your veiw,which intimate servants like haurisauri das ,tamala krishna goswami,harikesa maharaja ,bhakti caru swami ,jayapataka swami ect...show me any of his close servants who agree with your apa -sampradaya siddhanta.My guru was there along with tamala krishna goswami involved in srila Prabhupadas last days past times,both personally refute your concocted ideological deviations.Sorry you have no personal involvment with guru who personally served srila Prabhupada in his last days like myself.How can you seek to refute all of the senior servants of srila Prabhupada,whose personal service it was to ask specific questions.You will not accept their advice...you are not submissive so i am powerless except to save the non-envious ones reading these articles.

My dear Pandu das who is your diksa guru?What is his personal opinion?Which GBC agrees with you veiw?Does your diksa guru agree with srila Rupa Goswami Prabhupada or not?Which fool is going to say in other words that we do not need to follow the authority of Bhaktivinoda thakura and Srila Bhaktisiddanta saraswati Prabhupada and their massive writings.Where in their books is it mentioned that the line will turn into a christian sentamentalist clone like version?.The only way to god is through jesus.The only way to krishna is through srila Prabhupada directly?Why would you want to deviate along this path Pandu das?This sahajaism is a hindu problem for kanisthas who have little faith in their guru.....and no faith in the parampara.

Thirdly i accept your chastisement concerning the use ofhis divine grace but i also now that for me ,Tamala krishna goswami was my param guru,and unless one is non-envious enough to personally appreciate the tremendous contribution he left for all of the iskcon society you will indeed face many difficulties .The foremost servant of srila Prabhupada in my humble opinion and in the south pacific his devotees have stayed extremely fixed in their service to srila Prabhupada as a result.Even after his departure from this planet of birth and death ,srila gurudeva is severly missed by hundreds of my freinds.Such rules are also sadly insufficent,sadly inept to properly allow for the magnitude of these transcendental servants of srila Prabhupada.You are not a DIRECT disciple of srila Prabhupada .....as madva archarya comments the farther is always the farther,the son is always the son.....we are meant to be the servant of srila Prabhupadas disciples not their equals pandu das.

"Reversing your logic where in srila Rupa goswami Prabhupadas nectar of instruction or devotion is the term ritvik Archarya mentioned by him."

Rupa Gosvami didnt mention the GBC either, does he?. Does that mean its not bona fide?

"My guru was there along with tamala krishna goswami involved in srila Prabhupadas last days past times"

Oh, so they were the ones who rejected Srila Prabhupadas order to bring all his disciples to Vrindavana then? Are these the guys you want to dictate my spiritual life? http://igor-film.info/bif.html I keep hearing about the "poison issue" and am starting to wonder. In any case, Ive heard enough narrations from enough devotees, consistent with the historical record, to not trust the core groups version when it contradicts the physical evidence of what Srila Prabhupada wanted. In other words, I dont have any interest to have folks such as yourself and your gurus standing between me and Srila Prabhupada telling me what you think he meant or what you might not think but want me to believe anyway. Nice try though.

And chill with the rhetoric. Im an aspiring devotee, not a cult member. "Whos your diksa guru?" Im taking shelter of Srila Prabhupada.