Pariprashnena — Q&A Archive

You do realise how silly this sounds... while I obviously welcome all positive considerations that are normally conspicious by simple absence.

Yes prabhu you are indeed right....However can you all appreciate how sad many of these Ex-Iskcon Prabhupada Disciples are...and the sad ritvik devotees are....my attempt was to see if any had anything positive to offer!......or are they just lower class fellows just existing on a rather inept ,incompetent ,mode of ignorance level...kanistha if they are lucky....

Here is an interesting related article called: "82 Items of Comparison Between Conditions in ISKCON when Srila Prabhupada was Personally Present with Today'92s Conditions"

http://www.pratyatosa.com/Oldvsnew.htm

Thank you deena...brings back many memories and valid pionts.However all these things i was brought up with being a bramacari in the temple.....Even now i am inclined to sleer on the floor with my family...every night...Simple living...a pillow and blanket...thankyou

Sorry sleep on the floor ...hare krishna.

> if you were the archarya to try and rectify things?

If I was an ISKCON Acharya first thing I would do would be to:

Take a piece of straw in my mouth, bow down humbly, offer a public apology and beg forgiveness from all those children and their parents, who were abused in ISKCON schools.

CCD: Apologies do no help, action does. Every single boarding school in the world has exactly or more problems of abuse, why even consider it?

CCD you and your leaders cant even offer a public apology to abuse victims. This is the false ego and this is the worst thing that can happen to a human being. And then these people claim that they will give love of godhead to others, only fools will believe in such beautiful dreams.

>So take the responsibility and close down all the gurukulas and make them into day schools. Would you do that?

Why not. I will never send any children to these gurukulas, I have got no idea why gbc still runs these boarding ISKCON schools.

God I did not know that they did it to parents as well... terrible, not only they take away your child by force, they also abused you, that must have been like being locked up in an institution...

CCD, either you are a jerk or carry a stone in your chest instead of heart, do you think parents felt very happy when their children were abused.

Please accept my humble obeisances Suparna prabhu,please accept my own genuine apology, to all those persons attacked and severly molestered......as a humble iskcon solidier....rank and file...vancha- kalpa tarubius ca ....vaisnava namo namah..hare krishna....i agree ....what is to be lost by being humble...

> Apologies do no help, action does. Every single boarding school in the world has exactly or more problems of abuse, why even consider it?

Oh I got it. To preach you need to dump your kids in an institution, let someone else take the responsibility. Every single kid I know who was sent off, asked their parents, Can I come home mummy... I can not take it anymore" and what the mommy and daddy said?

So take the responsibility and close down all the gurukulas and make them into day schools. Would you do that?

At least we agree for once. Close them down, that is better then an apology (that was done already, but who cares for apology, we need action).

Actually the apology i offered was genuine.....however a school which is connected to the vedic culture is naturally beneficial.There are intrinsic problems dealing within the material world.Are the victims of such abuse happy now after compensation....and payment deal?I think not!....However that is their individual lot in life.

However so far on this train of thought as i thought ,very little inspired positive alternatives being offered.

Dear Prabhus and Matajis,

All glories to the Divine Lotus Feet of Srila Prabhupada! This is the first and main change.

Sri Guru Acaryas heart bleeds seeing our suffering, He descends to this miserable material world just for our sakes, He reduces our karmic suffering, He undergoes all kinds of struggle just to maintain and pamper us so we dont go away, He sheds gallons of spiritual blood to save even one of us and He shows inspiring ideal example and gives perfect divine instructions to purify ourselves to end all our sufferings forever. What to speak of blaming others for our deserved suffering, how is it so-called devotees accuse the self-effulgent Acarya?

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.18
Punishment and Reward of Kali

[The Personality of Religion speaking to Maharaja Parikshit.]

"O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers.

PURPORT

There are many theoretical philosophers in the world who put forward their own theories of cause and effect especially about the cause of suffering and its effect on different living beings. Generally there are six great philosophers: Kanada, the author of Vaiseshika philosophy; Gautama, the author of logic; Patanjali, the author of mystic yoga; Kapila, the author of Sankhya philosophy; Jaimini, the author of Karma-mimamsa; and Vyasadeva, the author of Vedanta-darsana.
Although the bull, or the personality of religion, and the cow, the personality of the earth, knew perfectly well that the personality of Kali was the direct cause of their sufferings, still, as devotees of the Lord, they knew well also that without the sanction of the Lord no one could inflict trouble upon them. According to the Padma Purana, our present trouble is due to the fructifying of seedling sins, but even those seedling sins also gradually fade away by execution of pure devotional service. Thus even if the devotees see the mischief-mongers, they do not accuse them for the sufferings inflicted. They take it for granted that the mischief-monger is made to act by some indirect cause, and therefore they tolerate the sufferings, thinking them to be God-given in small doses, for otherwise the sufferings should have been greater.

Maharaja Parikshit wanted to get a statement of accusation against the direct mischief-monger, but they declined to give it on the above-mentioned grounds. Speculative philosophers, however, do not recognize the sanction of the Lord; they try to find out the cause of sufferings in their own way, as will be described in the following verses. According to Srila Jiva Gosvami, such speculators are themselves bewildered, and thus they cannot know that the ultimate cause of all causes is the Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead.

to see the following verses: http://vedabase.net/sb/1/17/en1

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.22

"The destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator."

The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.
PURPORT

A devotees conclusion is that no one is directly responsible for being a benefactor or mischief-monger without the sanction of the Lord; therefore he does not consider anyone to be directly responsible for such action. But in both the cases he takes it for granted that either benefit or loss is God-sent, and thus it is His grace. In case of benefit, no one will deny that it is God-sent, but in case of loss or reverses one becomes doubtful about how the Lord could be so unkind to His devotee as to put him in great difficulty. Jesus Christ was seemingly put into such great difficulty, being crucified by the ignorant, but he was never angry at the mischief-mongers. That is the way of accepting a thing, either favorable or unfavorable. Thus for a devotee the identifier is equally a sinner, like the mischief-monger. By Gods grace, the devotee tolerates all reverses. Maharaja Parikshit observed this, and therefore he could understand that the bull was no other than the personality of religion himself. In other words, a devotee has no suffering at all because so-called suffering is also Gods grace for a devotee who sees God in everything. The cow and bull never placed any complaint before the King for being tortured by the personality of Kali, although everyone lodges such complaints before the state authorities. The extraordinary behavior of the bull made the King conclude that the bull was certainly the personality of religion, for no one else could understand the finer intricacies of the codes of religion.

Jai Srila Prabhupada!!

Dear Prabhus and Matajis,

All glories to the Divine Lotus Feet of Srila Prabhupada! This is the first and main change.

Sri Guru Acaryas heart bleeds seeing our suffering, He descends to this miserable material world just for our sakes, He reduces our karmic suffering, He undergoes all kinds of struggle just to maintain and pamper us so we dont go away, He sheds gallons of spiritual blood to save even one of us and He shows inspiring ideal example and gives perfect divine instructions to purify ourselves to end all our sufferings forever. What to speak of blaming others for our deserved suffering, how is it so-called devotees accuse the self-effulgent Acarya?

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.18
Punishment and Reward of Kali

[The Personality of Religion speaking to Maharaja Parikshit.]

"O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers.

PURPORT

There are many theoretical philosophers in the world who put forward their own theories of cause and effect especially about the cause of suffering and its effect on different living beings. Generally there are six great philosophers: Kanada, the author of Vaiseshika philosophy; Gautama, the author of logic; Patanjali, the author of mystic yoga; Kapila, the author of Sankhya philosophy; Jaimini, the author of Karma-mimamsa; and Vyasadeva, the author of Vedanta-darsana.
Although the bull, or the personality of religion, and the cow, the personality of the earth, knew perfectly well that the personality of Kali was the direct cause of their sufferings, still, as devotees of the Lord, they knew well also that without the sanction of the Lord no one could inflict trouble upon them. According to the Padma Purana, our present trouble is due to the fructifying of seedling sins, but even those seedling sins also gradually fade away by execution of pure devotional service. Thus even if the devotees see the mischief-mongers, they do not accuse them for the sufferings inflicted. They take it for granted that the mischief-monger is made to act by some indirect cause, and therefore they tolerate the sufferings, thinking them to be God-given in small doses, for otherwise the sufferings should have been greater.

Maharaja Parikshit wanted to get a statement of accusation against the direct mischief-monger, but they declined to give it on the above-mentioned grounds. Speculative philosophers, however, do not recognize the sanction of the Lord; they try to find out the cause of sufferings in their own way, as will be described in the following verses. According to Srila Jiva Gosvami, such speculators are themselves bewildered, and thus they cannot know that the ultimate cause of all causes is the Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead.

to see the following verses: http://vedabase.net/sb/1/17/en1

Srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.22

"The destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator."

The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.
PURPORT

A devotees conclusion is that no one is directly responsible for being a benefactor or mischief-monger without the sanction of the Lord; therefore he does not consider anyone to be directly responsible for such action. But in both the cases he takes it for granted that either benefit or loss is God-sent, and thus it is His grace. In case of benefit, no one will deny that it is God-sent, but in case of loss or reverses one becomes doubtful about how the Lord could be so unkind to His devotee as to put him in great difficulty. Jesus Christ was seemingly put into such great difficulty, being crucified by the ignorant, but he was never angry at the mischief-mongers. That is the way of accepting a thing, either favorable or unfavorable. Thus for a devotee the identifier is equally a sinner, like the mischief-monger. By Gods grace, the devotee tolerates all reverses. Maharaja Parikshit observed this, and therefore he could understand that the bull was no other than the personality of religion himself. In other words, a devotee has no suffering at all because so-called suffering is also Gods grace for a devotee who sees God in everything. The cow and bull never placed any complaint before the King for being tortured by the personality of Kali, although everyone lodges such complaints before the state authorities. The extraordinary behavior of the bull made the King conclude that the bull was certainly the personality of religion, for no one else could understand the finer intricacies of the codes of religion.

Jai Srila Prabhupada!!